Florida says we are big and size matters. Florida says screw Dean.

I am going to have to put with all the media crap here in this state as the media and Democrats here trumpet their importance. I will have to watch as they write and say devastatingly ugly things about the man who is trying to rebuild the party throughout the country. But I sure do hate seeing it play out here like it has.

This week it is getting worse. I appreciate the dignity Howard Dean has shown in remaining silent over all the lawsuits, the personal sttacks, and the lies.

Florida Dems at convention have button that says "Screw Dean"...very classy.



That is a screw through Dean's name. That really is a button saying Size Matters. They really thought it was funny at the convention.

I have written about it, thought I could make a difference. But I can't. The Florida bloggers should hide their heads in shame at the way they are letting the state leaders and the media continue the attacks on the national party leader.

My postings about the heartbreak of the Florida primary fiasco.

There they are, there are lots more in my journal. I see the baiting and attacks starting here.

I voted today, and it was not Hillary. These actions were the reason. I know these people, too many of them, I know why they moved the primary up a week too early.

They got their way, but I have no choice in the nominee.

They had a bitter victory.

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It is not smart.

Because Florida is acting like child who did not get their way. They were warned for months about what would happen. Dean tried to work with them and they blew him off IN THE MEDIA, and they all laughed.

It doesn't matter if Dean explained to them the rules or if they knew ahead of time or any of that. What matters if that we put someone in the White House in 2008; it matters way more than Dean winning his tussle. It is not smart to get a Republican in office for four or eight more years over "I'm the boss, that's why", especially since he won't be the boss by this time next year anymore. This move gets him maybe a year of chest-thumping tops.

Whatever. I see the media tearing our party apart, and I see the bloggers doing nothing.

Except maybe Dean, emotionally. If you don't like what these people in Florida are saying about him now, wait until this time next year if we see President Huckabee being sworn in.

We've got a boatload more Dems than FL, so maybe we should go first, eh?

But no, we're playing by the rules even though we're bigger and more influential in the outcome.

but is there a chance in heaven that Texas will vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election?

So, if applying FL logic, we should be 3rd.

We have lots more Dems than FL or MI (or PA or OH).

if your state is not gonna vote dem though, then you probably shouldn't pick the nominee. For example, suppose Texas goes first and picks Clinton. Suppose further that the majority of Missouri, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan would prefer Obama or Edwards. McCain is gonna carry Texas no matter who the Democratic nominee is, just like he will carry Kansas. If Texas picks a nominee who is unpopular in Michigan, Pennyslvania, and Missouri, we could lose those states too. Or Florida.

Logically, swing states should have more say than blue states and especially red states.

We have more Dems than 47 other states, shouldn't the nominee be representative of the largest numbers of our party?

Are you saying that because we got gerrymandered by the GOP in our state (which we are working to correct in federal court), yet have the 3rd highest number of actual Democrats, we should be penalized?

Why the hell would the states with LESS ACTUAL VOTING DEMOCRATS get to pick our nominee????

That makes no freaking sense whatsoever.

I was going to say, under that logic, we should just let CA decide who is president, but then I remembered that CA voted for NIXON TWICE and TX DID NOT.

Putting a state's own selfish interests above party interest....has consequences.

Florida decided size matters more than being a team player.

Florida will be pissed at the Democrats and Dean and you will both believe for the rest of your lives that you told them!

One side is all about being politically tough, even if getting nasty. The other is about bringing about real change in the party structure so more can have a voice.

I did not expect this post to be approved by you or your buddies. It does not matter to me at all that you disaprove.

I would like to see us win in 08. I would hope it would make more difference than it has since we won in November 06.

Bush is still getting way too much of his agenda.

And what happened here in Florida is not something that can be swept under the rug like it never happened.

The state leaders picked a scapegoat and went for the jugular. They really had nothing to gain by doing it except to show that they were the party's power players.

The anger is real. It is held by many.

But I guess that's the plan.

Viva Endless War!
Viva Nafta!
Viva la DLC!

Down with labor.

off that some Dems who should care about this just don't get it. Others are all for it cause it means hilary and the dlc will take charge in DC and make life rosy for them..they think.

Hillary always was going to win Florida anyway. It was a given.

Now when she wins it will not be a very nice victory.
She will have lost a lot of us who know what went down.

Wouldn't it have been better for her if Florida hadn't pushed for the early primary and been penalized?

And Florida did vote for them, and they did not apply to be an early state.

They wanted that one week advantage enough to hurt all of us.

I didn't follow the details of how it all happened, but I do agree with Dean's decision to stand by what he'd said.

I have written about it a lot. There was never a doubt she would win Florida. The goal was to get the word out that the big big state of Florida wanted Hillary. It would add to the inevitability.

She would have won anyway, and if the ones pushing this had backed off, and if the party power players on her side of the divide would have stopped this thing.....we would have had a choice in the nominee.

I guarantee you there is not a Democrat I know who does not think she walks on water. Everyone I know will vote for her anyway.

It was a useless thing to do, and it has caused anger and division here.

They gave us the wrong President last time. They don't get to force Hillary on us.

it was Ohio's turn last election. And it was the U.S. Supreme COurt that brought us into the Imperial Age in America, not Florida.
But we do agree on D.K.

But a thoroughly corrupted state government led by Jeb Bush and Cruella Harris laid the foundations of that theft months in advance. The Bush Crime Family has been corrupting Florida since Poppy set up his CIA shop there in 1959.

If they voted for Kucinich or Edwards though, I might insist they count it. But that's purely in the interest of a full primary season, of course.

They should have hammered out an agreement that didn't punish the voters. Bad move by Dean. Power gone to his head.

bye

Knowing it was against the rules, and doing so with every intention of giving Hillary the advantage. Dean smacked them down as they deserved to be. He knows better than most how the DLC likes to rig the primaries by any means possible.

lost 1/2 of their delegates (their rules.) Do you see anything in the newspaper about that? Did the Republicans get together to blast their party leader?

No state has a right to take over the party for their own selfish interests.

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Why don't you just move the fuck out of the state. You bitch about it all the time, yet, you're still here...

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Stop the crying in your beer shit. It's done, get on with your life.

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I met Howard Dean when he came to Hartford and hosted an event for our Democrats.

The selfishness that Florida has exhibited is just sad, because they are only thinking about them and not about November 2008.

Thanks for keeping all of us updated. I support Dean!

The DNC tried to negotiate with them, but they literally blew Dean and the DNC off and did it publicly.

It shows an attitude of we don't care what you think.

I have a whole week of this stuff before the primary on Jan 29. The media, the party leaders refuse to admit they voted with the GOP 115 to 1 after working with them for over a year.

It is sad.

I expect President Clinton to send him packing after she wraps up the nomination.

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And so the hopes of change fall flat.

He's the only reason I didn't quit this party in disgust after Hillary and the rest of the cowards caved on the Iraq war, and then managed to lose a midterm election with the biggest piece of shit to ever occupy the White House in power.

And his 50 state strategy is what gave us both houses of Congress again. For all the good that has done us, thanks to Spineless Reid and Jellyfish Pelosi.

Thank God for Howard Dean.

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Is it just me, or are they representing Florida as a penis, with Iowa and New Hampshire as testicles. Am I the only one who draws that visual with the expression, "size does matter"? Or am I the only one who actually checks my junk mail and notices the 20-some odd e-mails I get daily for penis enlargement drugs, that assure me that size does indeed matter? lol.

If that is what this button is supposed to represent...well, that's extra classy.

that it looks like that. :rofl:

Knowing the dems who wore the button, one being the state senate leader who was said to have worn it during his speech....you just never know.

isn't Florida or Michigan.

The problem is the National Parties kowtowing to Iowa and New Hampshire, and this ridiculous notion that they have the God Given right to go first.

I'm an Obama supporter and I live in Fort Lauderdale. But unfortunately, Obama doesn't have a chance here.

The Latinos won't vote for him because he's black.

The Old Jews won't vote for him because they think he's a Muslim (and let's be honest, they don't want to vote for the "Schvartze").

It's sad, but Hillary will win.

am I missing something?

Its a really unfortunate situation.

of your party.

The Florida Democrats have allowed the Democrats of Florida to come right up to election day wondering if they can even vote. They refuse to admit they worked WITH the GOP on this issue. They voted for it 115 to 1.

There is no excuse for that.

When things like that stop mattering, our party is in deep trouble.

Sorry, but for all the great people in and from Florida, this was a boneheaded grab for influence on their part.

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It is amazing how influential the media is in situations like this. Many people here are just starting to ask questions. They are getting no answers. The media theme is that that the DNC stole our votes. That is all people hear unless they happen upon a few of my posts. I told someone yesterday how the Florida Democrats worked with the GOP and voted for it 115 to 1. They did not believe me. They said they trusted our Democrats here to do the right thing for us. :shrug:

Not even the Florida bloggers who claim to be "progressive" are presenting the truth of the matter.

It has really broken my heart to see the spin.

Thank you again for your tireless work on this and other important issues, in spite of all of the completely unwarranted flack and hostility you get in return.

That was an unconscionable thing to say. Now the county election officials are having to explain to people that of course Democrats can vote.

Here is a post from the beginning. Nelson was so ugly, and so very wrong. Sounds like he was trying to squelch voter turnout.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1458

""The state party would have 30 days to change its plan before the sanctions would go into effect, but instead Florida's Democratic lawmakers say they will fight back. Sen. Bill Nelson told reporters in a conference call Friday that he'll lead the delegates to Denver whether or not the DNC plans to let them in.

"We are quite concerned that Florida Democrats are going to lose their right to vote," Nelson said. "And of all states, we have the sensitivity of this because of what we have gone through."

The utter nerve of him to say that. We lost the right to have a voice about delegates, but otherwise our vote counts. Talk about being manipulative.