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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:34 PM
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@@@ OFFICIAL SOUTH CAROLINA LOVEFEST #3 @@@
With a kissin' and a huggin' and a lovin' and a dreamin'....
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:34 PM
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1. Question - Is Subprime mortgage crisis a racial issue?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:36 PM
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5. ?
I did hear it disproportionately hit women; it would not surprise me if minorities were targeted too
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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94. No, it's not a racial issue per se....
...however, since non-whites statistically have lower incomes, they make up a larger percentage of subprime loans.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:11 PM
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183. Yes, it is, blacks and latinos were targetted, blacks more... check out
www.naca.com One aspect was that AA's were given higher finance charges than white people who had worse credit, just one part of it. So much more involved in it though.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:35 PM
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2. John Edwards: "Barack and I" - several times.
I think he might be providing a glimpse into the delegate future.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:36 PM
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7. If edwards drops, his votes will go to Obama, at least for the most part.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:36 PM
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Yeah. Look how his Barack and I business worked in NH. I don't think
it's by mistake. Divide and conquer.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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9. Barack as his VP?
Maybe. Any other scenario would be ludicrous.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:38 PM
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More likely, that his delegates would go to Obama should he drop out.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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Hmmmm!!!! I wouldn't object to Obama/Edwards.... nt
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:35 PM
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3. I'm askeeered
:scared:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:36 PM
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6. Yeah... it's a very... brutal debate.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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29. I don't like conflict!!
Seriously... This makes me nervous!! :yoiks: :hide:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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16. This is VERY animated tonight!
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:35 PM
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4. Thoughts:
Clinton and Obama just can't get along.

Edwards father worked in a mill? I didn't know that. I wonder what else I don't know about the candidates, like what was Giuliani was doing on 9/11?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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ROFL !!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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17. you "work for workers"? even mill workers?
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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34. No. They joined Change to Win.
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM by I work for workers
I work for the AFL-CIO.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:36 PM
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8. Can you feel the love tonight??
Wal-Mart, Rezco. I'm basking in the warmth of the candidates!!!
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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15. Another mis-characterization by Clinton
Obama bought land from Rezko; not represented him.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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10. .
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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11. NOW you have my attention!
:grouphug:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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12. Sorry I was late to the party
:hi:
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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13. Edwards is looking GREAT


Given that many people are just STARTING to pay attention, they may well take a second, third, fourth, fifth look at Edwards.

Beauty.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:38 PM
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21. He's the adult in the debate
and in the race. He's connecting with the audience.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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50. yea, don't cast aside John yet, he is in to stay.
just imagine if we have to keep hearing this squabbling between Barack and Hillary, at least John brings everyone back to reason.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM
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56. Couldn't agree more.
He came into this in a great position, as a "third wheel," but the way he's using it is quite brilliant.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:50 PM
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135. Tis' true. Edwards can call out either candidate when needed.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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Edwards got to the heart of the matter, while Clinton and Obama
are left to wonk it out, or repeat Edwards
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:38 PM
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20. Well, he's been hangin around for a moment just like this. He knew it would come.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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14. Will the claws continue to come out?
:popcorn:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:37 PM
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18. Edwards has already won the debate
both Hillary and Barack look confrontational and mean spirited
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:38 PM
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25. Agreed. Good for Edwards. Let's hope he finally gets some traction.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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32. too bad that's not relevant
it just wont help him
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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38. Both are instinctively divisive people
I don't want someone like that in the WH.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:38 PM
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19. Where are you watching this?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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26. I am listening to CNN TV on the CNN.com site.
The video stream wouldn't play for me, I'm only audio.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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CNN
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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37. Obama -- respond to Clinton's charge that you worked for a crooked slumlord
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM
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59. and this is soooo whats wrong with msm nt
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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27. cnn
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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36. right here...
http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM
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58. In the bathroom
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:38 PM
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22. Barack uming and awing, Hillary YELLING. Damn.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:38 PM
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23. The back and forth sniping has really loosened them up, plus the audience
is getting them going. The candidates are far less stilted than at the beginning.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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33. Hell, they're coming down off that adrenalin rush. Can you imagine what that felt like?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:38 PM
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24. Things seem to have settled down a little bit
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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28. Obama didn't win Iowa on anger... this isn't his strong suit
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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30. Says a lot about DU that our critiques of the candidates
are the ones that the candidates themselves are using.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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Eh? How so?
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM
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52. Means we're really are about as informed as you can get.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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48. Hmm, you noticed that too?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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62. yeah - they're all listening to us
:eyes:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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31. Obama is going for broke...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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40. very true - needs knock-out. he knows he can't go the distance (calendar-wise)
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:39 PM
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35. Ooooh, the slum lord thing! Yikes! nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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42. This is a brawl!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM
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51. I wouldn't be surprised if they started slugging it out! lol nt
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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39. Obama is explaining and changing the subject a lot tonight.
Interesting.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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41. Obama, did you work for slum lord?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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45. Obama, do you still beat your wife?
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM
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57. Edwards would have to have a heart attack and die for me to support one of
the other two.

I'M STICKING!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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43. Wolfie dredging the gutter. . (too much info getting on TV)
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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44. Hillary is a brilliant politician
If not dirty. She just went from the defensive to the offensive from that one Rezko remark.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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46. Sounds like HRC made a mountain out of a molehill re: Obama "working
for a slumlord."
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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47. Barack bringing up Hillary's Bankruptcy Bill vote
I hope she doesn't cry...

:rofl:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:40 PM
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49. Clinton -- I was not wrong. I have never been wrong. Obama was wrong.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM
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53. Obama sidestepped Rezko
Non-answer.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM
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54. 30%!!! WTF? nt
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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64. I didn't know that either
I guess Obama didn't think 30 percent was enough for the poor, poor lenders.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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90. Stop hogging Edwards' time
Obama and Clinton look awful tonight, Obama especially bad.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM
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55. SHit -- WOlf Blitzer is trying to cut her off again. Damage control??
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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65. Wolf's attitude towards Hillary has been really snide. nt
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 PM
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60. Obama came across like a beaten man in Nevada last week.
Tonight he's on fire. Not gonna take it no more.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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Hillary at her wits end just making crap up and getting booed. nt
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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101. Hillary throwing everything at him but the kitchen sink. Obama not
having any of it.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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61. OMFG! Hillary "apologized" for something! Mark your calendars.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:50 PM
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133. **snort**
}(
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:50 PM
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**snort**
}(
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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Wolf is in major damage control mode on Clinton. Hes protecting his WH spokesman job. LOL!!!
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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63. We also need to remember that a lot of the TV viewers of this debate...
don't understand the "squabbles" as we do.

Doesn't help Clinton or Obama thus far, though I am liking Obama's anger. They all should be angry to a certain degree.

I certainly am.
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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70. Hell, I'm having trouble following it.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:47 PM
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113. LOL! n/t
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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66. edwards lashes out
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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67. Hillary's incredulous smile is going to be stuck in my brain for days.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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Pile on the guy in the middle.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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68. Holy fuck! Edwards, hahaha. "The limit was too high Obama? There's no limit at all now."
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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76. John's timing tonight is spot on
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:42 PM
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69. We have no consistency when we vote -- Obama
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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71. OoOOOO Hillary hits below the belt
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM by Armstead
Very difficult to get a straight answer from you Obama
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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72. "You never take responsibility for any vote." nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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73. Hillary gets what she deserves: Booing.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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Hillary is after Obama's a$$.
she is like a pit bull, come on there are more important issues to be discussed.

They are having a slugfest. Hillary is being rude. Unbelieveable there is another candidate there.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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74. Big boos! Hillary == SENATOR Obama on the no responsibility "Present" votes
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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75. Man, she is going after him.
This is really freaking me out!! :wow:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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77. Hillary and John are exposed for voting for the Bankruptcy Bill!
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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78. HRC booed--"you never take responsibility for your votes" (to Obama) nt
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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truth must hurt huh Obama?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:43 PM
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79. Obama never takes responsibility for votes.
Interesting.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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80. Wow, Hillary's going for the jugular.
Best debate format yet.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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Do you really think so?
I think it makes our candidates look bad. Especially the front runners.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:49 PM
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130. I guess so, but it's definitely more exciting.
I like the pressure of it. These people are outside of their comfort zones.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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Hillary should just stop this.
It is going to fuel the fire.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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86. SHe is looking very bad.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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81. Obama voted present on keeping sex shops away from schools with BS explanation
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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82. she threw that IRW softball for a reason (responsibility for votes)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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ooooo personal attack.... bad move Hil.. C'mon Edwards... bring it back
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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83. Sen CLinton gets the boo birds
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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84. I'm glad she brought up voting "present"
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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85. Obama: can someone ask Edwards a question so I can escape getting
grilled on my present votes?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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87. Hillary -- We can't get any straight answers out of you, SENATOR Obama
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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88. "I feel bad" ?! WTF
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM by iris5426
edit - ok that was the heat of the moment, nice that he actually pointed it out...wolf is the one that should feel bad
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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Obama voted 130 times "present"
I'm glad this is coming out
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:48 PM
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128. 130 votes present is 3.25% of total vote
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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Hillary bringing up the "Present" vote. Look for the smackdown from Barack
She is one ugly person.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:46 PM
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106. What reality are you living in???
He shouldn't be voting present ~ that's not what he's paid for.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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89. Does Hillary really want to talk about taking responsibility
about votes when will she take it for IRAQ
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:44 PM
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91. Okay, I give. This isn't the issues debate. It's the cage match.
I can work with that.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:46 PM
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103. Two people enter. One person leaves.
Welcome to the Thunderdome debate.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:48 PM
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125. TWO are goin' down!
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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92. Obama voted present on his own bill?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:46 PM
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110. Not taking any risks this one
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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Hillary---save it for the pukes. You aren't doing yourself any favors.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:47 PM
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114. I disagree. And I like her the least.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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93. LET EDWARDS SPEAK
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:46 PM
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109. No shit. Quiet the bullies. nt
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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95. I think Hillary is going to fucking kill Obama by the end of this debate
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Konza Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:46 PM
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107. Is she losing her mind?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:46 PM
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108. haha!
:rofl:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:46 PM
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111. no shit!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:47 PM
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120. That WOULD simplify things quite a bit :D
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:52 PM
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149. I think he's trying to pull her off her game, make her feel cornered
It's the same way John Kerry rattled Smirky McChimpster in the first presidential debate in 2004.

Ironically, the legend is that Bill Clinton himself advised Kerry that Bush is shrill when knocked off his perch.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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96. So Obama voted for it before he voted against it?
Interesting.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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97. Her posture! Standing there all snide looking
with a smirk on her face. jaysus
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:47 PM
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112. It is a complete turnoff, IMO.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:48 PM
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122. She's just being her real self. Obama's challenge is to show her for
the disengenuous so and so that she is.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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98. I will not vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination.
I could have held my nose before this, but she's just nasty.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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99. Obama says HRC "combs over his 4000 votes in IL and tries to find one
that looks quetionable."
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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100. she knew she would be booed. this is strategic (i dont know how effective, but its planned)
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:47 PM
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115. She wanted the shit out there -- she knows the media will spin it for her. SC is a non issue to her
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:54 PM
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157. Really? I don't get the strategy but she's gutsy as hell
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:45 PM
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102. Does Hillary really want to talk about taking responsibility
about past votes can you say IRAQ
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:46 PM
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Does Hillary really want to talk about taking responsibility
about past votes can you say IRAQ
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:46 PM
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104. I love how they went from "hillary, Barack, john" to "Senator X".
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:46 PM
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105. come on, end it, there is another candidate on the stage.
this is not the Obama/Hillary debate. Sickening. All this talk from Obama, let's get with it.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:47 PM
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116. Go, Johnny Go! Present? Woohoo!!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:47 PM
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117. Obama's explanation about voting present is flat-out LAME.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:05 PM
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182. I thought it made sense - its almost the same as a no vote
I would vote for it except there is a fatal flaw so the vote is present.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:47 PM
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118. edwards the trial lawyer shows up
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:48 PM
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124. Yep - there he is in action. Interesting! nt
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:49 PM
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129. And he looks much better than the other two!!
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:49 PM
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132. And he is a damned good one.
If I need help, this is the man I want representing me.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:47 PM
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119. Edwards asks about Obama's many "present" votes. nt
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:47 PM
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121. Geez are they ever going to let Edwards talk?
JE is really giving Obama a hard time.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:48 PM
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123. Edwards on Obama -- you're a hypocrite on the Present votes.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:50 PM
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139. He said that?
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:48 PM
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126. John is ripping him a new one - yeah Hold his feet to the
fucking fire!!!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:48 PM
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127. This debate = Perfect Example of why Senator can't be elected President
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:50 PM
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134. A specific one or any one?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:58 PM
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164. Sounds like any one
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:51 PM
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142. I think you are right. It's difficult as we know.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:49 PM
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131. That was amazing, tactically, how edwards cut off barack from citing an accomplishment
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:50 PM
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He got some good stuff in there anyway
Heck, he did a good job just staying on his feet during that barrage. He still got rocked.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:51 PM
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Seems like he just had enough of the bullshit...
Surprising, since he's been pretty nice to Barack.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:51 PM
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141. OT: Great sig line, K&H
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:52 PM
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146. He's very good.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:50 PM
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136. Whitey's are gangin up
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:50 PM
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137. Health care reform, yes!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:50 PM
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138. Apparently Hillary and Edwards are too stupid to understand how Illinois legislation works
Either they are stupid or they are full of shit...
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:52 PM
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147. Actually, you're buying a ridiculous spin job. nt
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:57 PM
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162. So you don't understand how the "present" vote works in the Illinois legislature either?
Many times, voting present for a bill is due to trying to amend a bill that usually has a posion pill within it. Does a senator vote for a bill concerning educational funding when someone puts in an amendment making abortion illegal? Um...no! They vote "present" and take the cancer out of the bill and THEN pass it.

Get it?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:00 PM
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172. They were talking about his present votes in the US Senate...
He spun it back to IL ~ LAME!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:51 PM
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140. HRC -- thankfully HIV/AIDs is a chronic disease now. WTF!???
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:51 PM
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143. As opposed to a short, terminal one. nt
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:52 PM
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148. Thanks -- I figured I missed the point.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:52 PM
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150. She's just tone deaf. She said in last debate that TBI was a "new phenomenon".
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:51 PM
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144. don't you wish someone would ask them if anyone will hold
this present administration accountable for their crimes.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:53 PM
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152. I would love to hear their answers to that! nt
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:53 PM
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153. thought you were gonna say "hold their coat" (like in a duel)
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:53 PM
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154. if only anyone had the balls.... nt
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:51 PM
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145. might need to keep these threads shorter... slow loading
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:53 PM
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151. Why did Obama glance at Edwards before saying what the real issue was?
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:54 PM
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158. lookin for hints?
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:54 PM
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159. i was wondering that as well....
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:54 PM
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155. just suggesting a thread 4 now.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:54 PM
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156. Hillary is kicking ass... n/t
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:54 PM
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160. Obama seems a little shaken
Not falling apart. He's staying on message. But he looks like he took a good punch.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:55 PM
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161. Thats because he did, several times n/t
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:57 PM
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163. Excellent healthcare explanation by Barack. Important policy difference.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:58 PM
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165. To bad it doesnt cover everyone in this country n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:58 PM
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166. Put a sock in it, Obama
He's rambling.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:58 PM
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167. He is losing the debate this time... to bad I wanted it to be closer n/t
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:59 PM
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169. That seems to be his debate style.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:59 PM
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170. I'm sorry it was over your head
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:58 PM
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168. Will Hillary finally tell us how she will force healthcare insurance down our throats?
Prolly not...
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:00 PM
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171. Not a peep about the core of her plan -- PRIVATE insurers. Call her on it, John!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:00 PM
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173. Edwards should point out his plan makes insurance compete
w/ public plans.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:01 PM
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174. HRC calling Obama on flipflopping on Health Care
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:03 PM
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179. Obama didn't flip flop. Hillary just lied again
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:01 PM
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175. hard to score this three way game
its like having 3 teams on a baseball diamond
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:02 PM
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176. Obama -- HRC and Massachusettes (Romney) same thing. Ouch.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:03 PM
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180. That was a low blow! nt
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:02 PM
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177. Obama's plan doesn't have real cost controls
that's what makes it affordable.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:02 PM
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178. Hillary still doesn't tell us how she will force mandated healthcare
She also thinks healthcare insurance companies and the pharma industry will operate on "good faith".

:rofl:
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