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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:00 PM
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The Debate in a Nutshell: Hillary was booed. Loudly. By many in the audience.
This was 10x worse than her performance in the Philadelphia Debate.

She appeared angry and frustrated.
She didn't like Obama bringing up Wal-Mart one bit, so she lashed out violently.
The audience didn't care for this at all.

She refused to answer Edwards direct question about Lobbyists... literally refused to give a straight answer.
Just like with the Illegal Immigrant Licenses.

When she is angry her sensitive sotto voce falls away. Her facade of an empathic woman cracks.

We see her for what she is inside, and it is not a pretty picture.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:01 PM
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1. It's Obama's Time!
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:02 PM
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3. Damned right its Obama time.
VP material if I've eve seen it. Clinton/Obama '08 Unbeatable.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:08 PM
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15. Yeah, Hillary is great VP material. She could be great asset
in Obama's administration. Gobama!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:10 PM
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22. No, hilary wouldn't be an
asset anywhere but where she is..right there in New York in the Senate.
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teleharmonium Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:56 PM
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105. not bloody likely
if she wins by fighting dirty, why should Obama tarnish himself ? He's got a bright future, regardless.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:07 PM
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13. I think it is time for him to stop WHINNING and buck up.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:09 PM
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16. Buck up? He smacked your girl good. And Bill too.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:09 PM
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17. He bucked up tonight and somebody got their ass handed to them
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:09 PM by JackORoses
I won't say her name, but it rhymes with Shillary.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:09 AM
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85. Obama was whining again?
I'm just watching it on the re-run since I fell asleep .....picking-up a night shift screws up your day!


So, you say Obama was a whiner.....again?

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:10 PM
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23. not!
the beginning of the THE END!
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:46 AM
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73. Didnt we hear that "beginning of the end" crap after Iowa?
:rofl:
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Monty__ Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:01 AM
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79. Actually..
it should be Edwards' time
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:02 PM
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2. Did obama actually answer a question
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:02 PM by sunonmars
He certainly did not when asked about the 50 billion black hole in his finances, he completely dodged it.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:04 PM
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8. Obama floudered during the entire debate
his responses were weak, wordy, but he said nothing

he's finished

his Reagan statement did him in

it's clear he's a Republican at heart

no wonder CNN and the rethugs like him
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:09 PM
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19. He's finished?
I'm bookmarking this!}(
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:24 PM
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48. I personally think that killed him stone dead too


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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:10 PM
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24. are all your posts as intelligent as this one
I've been thinking about this for a long time.

Your Delta Tau Kai pledge name is... Flouder!!!
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:15 PM
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32. seemingly more intelligent than your responses
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:07 PM
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14. he dodged nothing. he said everything he proposes is paid for
and he said he would provide Hillary with any details she needed.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:11 PM
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26. and didnt say how, he totally sidestepped it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:17 PM
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36. How is Hillary planning to enforce that everyone have health insurance?
Oh yeah, she side-stepped that question.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:40 PM
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57. do you actually expect him to give a detailed economic lan during a debate response
and how would Hillary know his figures are off? Does she have all the info about his plan?

Or is she spreading misinformation for the umpteenth time?
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:29 PM
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102. he didnt detail fuck all about anything, it was total bullshit from start to finish
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:03 PM
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4. Did anyone else get booed. I don't think so, but I might have missed something.
It's not good when you're the only candidate on stage that gets booed.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:05 PM
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10. Says a lot about the quality of your opponent's support.
Rude little pricks, dontcha think?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:46 PM
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60. Yep. There were also Obama supporters standing outside the chuch in Harlem
that she went to on Sunday. Lovely bunch.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:12 PM
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28. I kind of think she was in hostile territory.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:03 PM
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5. Nah, they were saying "Clin-toooooooooooooon!"
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:03 PM
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6. Yeah, because women are one dimensional.
If you think because a woman loses her temper at you that she's the incarnation of evil or it just means she's incapable of genuine empathy, you must spend most of your time completely bewildered.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:04 PM
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7. whats beneath your sexist idiot facade? nt.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:14 PM
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30. My problem with Hillary isn't her Sex, It is her words and actions.
I personally do not care all that much for Liars and Manipulators.
I like seeing what goes around, come around.

You may have a different opinion.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:17 PM
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34. Then we'll be seeing a lot of each other on Feb. 5th. nt.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:20 PM
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41. you know that Indiana was the dogs name, don't you?
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:20 PM by JackORoses
;)
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:05 PM
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9. Apparently we're back to "any criticism of Clinton is sexism."
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Konza Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:31 PM
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55. I thought they took one night off? Oh well, it's a job I guess n/t
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:06 PM
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11. Oh, baloney. She was booed once when she got tough with Obama....
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:10 PM by suston96
And she was tough on Obama all night, hence the gnashing of teeth by the usual obsessors.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:16 PM
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33. she was booed because the audience got to see her in her own element
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:16 PM by JackORoses
they were repulsed.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:17 PM
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37. Bingo. Right on the mark. Agree with the OP, too.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:22 PM
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44. Sadly, so was I
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #44
61. agreed
she needs to have Bill do the debates for her
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:06 PM
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12. Obama won 'in the room.' Edwards won in living rooms across the nation.
Obama LOST in living rooms across the nation.

The "people meter" TROUNCED him.

Final: Edwards, winner; Clinton; strong second; Obama; third.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:18 PM
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38. you mean the CNN people meter?
Those undecided people said Edwards did the best in the debate, but the majority were going to vote for Obama because he was electable.

So your ratings are inaccurate. But I know you know that.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:44 PM
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59. I watched the RAW data the whole night.
The raw data doesn't match the commentary. AT ALL.

They aren't "my ratings." They're the ratings of the people who had the meters in their little hands.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:56 PM
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65. where, pray tell, did you watch this raw data?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:48 AM
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74. CNN.com, where they had THREE feeds working. As I stated. NT
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:58 AM
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77. so you were watching this on a 3 computer simultaneously
and keeping track of all the data from the line on the screen?
I find that very hard to believe.

The majority of those same people had decided to vote for Obama when they were questioned post-Debate.
They had been undecided before the debate.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:03 AM
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82. Did I say that? Why no, I did not.
The three feeds were as follows:

The debate.

The debate with a PEOPLE METER overlay.

A Bill Clinton rally in TN.

I watched the second feed--the debate with the metered overlay.

Obama did the WORST with the raw data. Except for the times he made a joke, he couldn't move the line much off fifty (neutral) and he managed to make it dip BELOW a few times. He didn't do well. You can argue with me all you want, but I watched that red line through the whole debate. Edwards had the highest numbers, Clinton was under him but way above Obama.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:15 AM
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87. how can you say you have the raw data, when all you saw was on your screen.
You don't know the actual numbers going into any of that.
Your perception of what happened is in no way the actual data.

Once again, how do you explain that the majority of the people using those meters chose to vote for Obama in the end?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:21 AM
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92. I "watched" the raw data. CAREFULLY.
I told you how it played out on the screen. If you don't like what I've told you, too bad. I'm not going to angst over it, or waste my time dealing with your usual noodgy carping. It gets old, quick.

Once again, since YOU don't get it, I have no intention of "explaining" anything. For all I know they were bribed or hit on the head. Or maybe they're terminally stupid. All I know is that Obama did not resonate, and Edwards hit it out of the park.

If you don't "like" that, disregard it.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #82
103. I saw the same thing
Although I didn't find the meter until after the first break. Obama got consistently low scores. It was like some of the audience turned against him over something he said. Obama averaged about a 52. They sure didn't turn on Hillary. She averaged about 60. I'd say Edwards averaged about 64.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:22 PM
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45. But that group of undecided voters broke for Obama.
They don't see Edwards as viable.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:42 PM
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58. The people meter line on the screen said that Obama didn't bring it.
That's what I'm 'reporting on' here. Edwards was up around seventy every time he opened his mouth. Obama couldn't move that thing unless he was making a joke. It was as if they fell asleep and didn't move their little knobs...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:09 PM
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18. But, hilary snarked that it was
hard to get "a straight answer" out of Obama. What did Obama say to her in response?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:09 PM
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20. She was also cheered many times, too
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:09 PM
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21. yep. i noticed that.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:10 PM
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25. The audience would have booed her no matter what she said
They are always instructed to refrain from that type of behavior, hopefully
it's not indicative of South Carolinians in general.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:11 PM
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27. And she looked horrible trying to attack in the second half of the debate. nm
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:12 PM
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29. Obama is finished, he just doesn't see it yet. He's too busy crying
to ABC about how he's being abused by big bad Hillary.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:19 PM
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100. Whimper, whimper.
She beat me up. Whaaaa!!!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:14 PM
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31. Obama sucked. Period.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:17 PM
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35. He kind of shit himself when Edwards took him down

That came out of left field.

seriously Obama can not handle debates, he falls to pieces and tonight, that was well shocking. I never thought he'd actually be that bad.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:19 PM
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39. anything to say about the Queen's Boo-down?
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #39
104. Back there in t he early days of DU primary coverage
Booing meant booers were bussed in by an unscrupulous candidate. In this case that would be Edwards or Obama. Or maybe the accusations about the busses were off the mark the first time?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:19 PM
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40. LOL...I know, I loved it.
Comeuppance.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:21 PM
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42. Debate is not his best suit. He is more of an intellectual/lecture type
I guess the difference between a trial lawyer and a consitiutional one.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:23 PM
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47. certainly isnt

After that, if anyone thinks he can handle the repubs in debate better think again.

Hillary proved tonight,she is a tough bit of meat and she can eat these Motherfucker Republicans alive.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:22 PM
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43. He was surprised, but he scolded Edwards very subtly- on the IWR. nt
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:25 PM
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49. What debate were you watching? Obama was a class act
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:25 PM by Skwmom
and he outed the Clintons and their lies and reminded the country of why we are sick of dirty politics.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:27 PM
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53. He bombed miserably

In case you hadnt noticed the take down by Clinton and Edwards. They made him look stupid on a lot of issues, practically green.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:27 PM
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:23 PM
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46. I guess I missed that. I saw a good debate with clear differences laid out.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:25 PM
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50. When will TAYLOR MARSH tell us they were an Obama Lynch Mob ??
:party: whattta,oh,never mind,you get the idea.:puke: :argh:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:27 PM
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52. She proved to me why I just could never support her
She and her husband are a ball-and-chain on the Democratic Party.

She proved that she was willing to be the older version of the Goldwater Girl.

She's angry, she's shrill, she plays dirty and she's vindictive. It's no wonder Bill's eyes wander. I feel sorry for him in a way.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:30 PM
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54. "She's angry...vindictive and shrill..no wonder her husband cheated on her!"
I'll just let your comments stand on their own merit and see how many supporters come to your rescue.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:37 PM
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56. What part isn't true?
Hillary:
  • Is angry
  • Sounds shrill
  • Is vindictive
  • Lies about Obama's record
  • Votes for war
  • Inflates her experience by stealing her husband's resume
  • Was cheated on by her husband


All of it is true. You simply just can't handle the truth.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:51 PM
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64. Those are all facts.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:49 PM
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62. Personally, I thought she did damn well and had obama on
his heels a few times. She was cool and collected and she never lost her cool as you say she did. The booing was expected from the crowd but that did not unravel her, she gave more then she got....

I personally think bill clinton has got inside the mind of obama and at times he looked tonight as though he did not know whether to stratch his watch or wind his ass.....

Remember, in politics its the next audiencec you are playing too as well as the current and hrc played strong to the national audience and those states on 2/5....where obama will meet his waterloo and maybe will last until the middle of march and then bye bye bho......
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:51 PM
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63. Oh boy! You are so right about Bill Clinton getting inside the mind of Obama.
Obama is frightened of The Big Dog and it clearly shows.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:33 AM
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71. you are an unapologetic apologist for sHillary, aren't you?
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:10 AM
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66. She shot back with his defending his slumlord friend Rezko. I saw a lot of people applauding then.
(Why bring up Wal Mart - don't a lot of people shop at Wal Mart?)
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:20 AM
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68. actually they booed at the Rezko comment
and Wal-Mart is a Corporate Monster
Most of their employees don't get any Health Care, and they don't allow Unions.
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:10 AM
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90. Yes, I heard the booing. I also saw women applauding at the comment. And, like it or not, he dissed
Wal Mart shoppers.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:01 AM
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78. I dont want to vote for Hillary BUT she defended and attacked beautifully which
is difficult for a woman to do with a man. I thought she did very well, and I didnt think Obama's starting that whole thing was really appreciated.

Didn't look too good on his part. Most of the time he looked arrogant, snotty,
his snide comments were not appreciated by the audience...if he wasn't outright booed there were murmurs of disapproval
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:11 AM
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91. I thought she was magnificent and tough.
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:10 AM
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67. P.S. I thought there were times he looked like he didn't want to be there.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:03 AM
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80. ditto
:shrug:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:21 AM
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69. I think she expected that
and calculated it was worth the hit to have people tomorrow asking, "What's Rezko?"

She knew exactly what she was doing, like it or not.
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allinktup Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:22 AM
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70. That was the best part of the whole debate
... when she got booooed
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:43 AM
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72. She was booed by a mostly black audience in SC, who cares?
She already knows that she has no chance of winning in SC and went for broke. I don't know why some of you keep attacking Clinton as if Obama was a choir boy. Please...........

Unfortunately, this is turning into a black-white race. More's the pity!!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:53 AM
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75. "this is turning into a black-white race" That is exactly what the Clintons wanted.
I hope it blows up in their faces.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:05 AM
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83. IMO it is Obama who has turned it into a race about race -
and I dont think its going to serve him well
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:11 AM
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86. Obama has specifically tried to avoid bringing race into this
and it was working, too
that is until he won in Iowa

Then the Clintons decided to run a scorched earth policy
sacrificing the Black vote in order to marginalize Obama as the Black candidate.

Face it. If Obama had wanted to make this about race, he could have long ago. But he didn't because he wanted to debate the issues.

It is the Clintons who have attempted to divide this Party along racial lines.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:55 AM
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76. I didn't think she appeared particularly angry
I thought she interrupted a lot tonight, but I didn't think she came off as overly angry. But, then again, I think her "anger" is often overstated.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:03 AM
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81. She was excellent in a hostile envirnoment
this was clearly Obama crowd, before the first word was uttered so of course she was booed.

She was not angry, but insistence but, as usual, a woman's voice is more grating than a man's.

Obama lost many by his injecting of religion.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:00 PM
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94. of course it was an Obama crowd, because according to you, all Black people are the same.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:06 AM
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84. It was sponsored by the black caucus....
and they booed when she was kicking Obama's ass. What the hell did you expect them to do? It was an audience packed with his frigging base.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:03 PM
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95. his base is the Democratic Party,
It is only Hillarites who are trying to marginalize him as the 'Black Candidate'.

He actually has supporters of all races, genders, and creeds.

He is not a partisan hack like Hillary.
He has a much more Universal appeal.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:16 AM
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88. sexist
empathic women can be ANGRY.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:01 AM
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89. hmm, and yet we hear nothing but how clinton supporters are so evil. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:22 AM
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93. Cause they
are.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:08 PM
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96. Logan's Law: Hillarophobes see what they want to see.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 05:09 PM by Perry Logan
And hear what they want to hear. It's a weird disorder, this hating Hillary, hating Clinton thing.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:17 PM
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98. Perry's Paradox: To a Hillarite, booing sounds like cheering
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:14 PM
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97. Let me guess Jack....
is it time for Hillary to pull out of the race, again? :rofl:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:19 PM
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99. no I would rather she remain, so that Obama can beat her fair and square
"Fair and square" is something she knows nothing about.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:31 PM
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101. They were like a bickering couple
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:17 PM
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106. This will make another black-box comeback awfully suspicious.
I have no doubt they'll try one anyhow. Who the hell is going to call them on it, besides us?
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