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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:11 PM Original message |
Obama was just attacked on present votes in the Illinois Senate. Here's the truth about these votes: |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. Those look suspiciously like "talking points". I used to get the media "talking points' from |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. This is an issue that's difficult to communicate in a 5-second soundbite. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. None the less, the candidates job is to do just that! He makes the point or he doesn't. He didn't. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. Sez Obama. nt |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. And you got this from his site.... |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
4. Just checked the link.Yup Spin room copy! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Here |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. The critics don't want to do research. They don't want to understand. |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. That's the truth, right there |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. What has that to do with the OP being "spin room copy" ? And thanks |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The information is from the article, note the OP: (AP, 9/9/04) |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. "spin Room Copy " isn't necessarily unreliable. But it is a calculated spin. That was my only point. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Calculated from 2004 for the 2008 debates? |
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jkurri (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
45. Present... from a uniter??? Right. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
5. And the present vote is a GOP talking point. Plain and simple. |
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NastyRiffraff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
6. Only problem with all that is it applies to Illinois |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I believe they are criticizing him for voting "present" on Illinois bills. |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. political cowardice is not a quality many look for in a President |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Is this the |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. yep |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. He has already addressed that |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. True. Several of these present votes were clear cop-outs on Obama's part. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
12. In Illinois, it is a procedural move that some mischaracterize gratuitously. |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. and most of America will not get the procedural move |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. well, good thing he had a chance to educate the public when she again made the accusation |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
39. with the voters I know, it does |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. well, you can keep HOPING it does ... |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. are they concerned about S. 970, too? |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
15. I bought all that at first |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. That's not the proper vote in Illinois. Because of the amendatory veto. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Thanks, that helps |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Present counts against passage just as a no does. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Thank you for explaining that to me. |
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ursi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
19. Thanks for posting. This was lame tonight when they attacked him for that |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
20. Lets let the NYT have a say in this too! |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. NYT says Obama ducked responsibility by voting "Present" on a number of important votes. |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. You obviously didn't read the article. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Here you go now you read it....: NYT says Obama ducked responsiblity |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. I know. It's why I posted the link. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
26. What a crock from the loser oBama... |
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allinktup (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
33. Some people just don't get it |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Dunno, some of you fry Hillary for taking a stand, right or wrong, and yet... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:55 AM Response to Original message |
38. Thanks! |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
40. Hillary knows full well what a 'present' vote means. As Bill Clinton might say, "Give me a break!" |
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grrr050 (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Give me a break ! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
46. Kick! n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
47. Kick! n/t |
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