It's going to be Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton... time to accept that

Regardless of how the next few weeks play out, I really feel the delegate count is going to be so close that a unity ticket will be required.

I would say it is almost a certainty.

While I also have deep regards for John Edwards, I really think things are finished for him after SC. He will probably go on, but I don't see the campaign going anywhere at this point. If he stays in, he will win delegates and a few states (NC, OK, and perhaps a few others).

Obama has done so well that I think Hillary would have to accept him on the ticket if she wins. If Obama manages to make things very close, I think he would do well to accept Hillary as a unity VP candidate.

So, all you haters..., get ready to spread the love in a few months.

on a ticket together and they better not.

You create this big noisy battle where half the Dems go one way, the other half go the other and even conservatives take sides, generating huge amounts of media attention. Then after everybody has been forced into siding with one or the other, they make nice and come together, so each half "wins", each half gets their person into the whitehouse. I'm not saying anybody planned it that way, but its the way it looks likely to go...

No way.

In fact, I doubt you see another Senator-Senator ticket again. It'll be a Senator-Governor/ex-Governor ticket.

GWHB and he had a few choice exchanges, as I recall.

I really don't see Clinton and Obama together. I could live with it though.

too much overlap with Bill

This is politics.

a top tier democrat might be talked into it but anybody thats playing in the upper levels see that it is going to be a nightmare to try and carve any role out with bill around

if she won the nomination, which is still likely, to join her on the ticket.
But on second thought he would be crazy to join her as V.P.
She is like kryptonite and he can only hurt himself by any association with the Clintons.
And on the off chance we actually win in November with Hillary, (yeah, uh huh) Barack Obama would be in for a miserable 8 years as Bill and Hillary's 3rd wheel.
And at the end of that time I can guarantee they would sell him out in 2016.
They'd find every way to shit on him for 8 long years and then turn their support to their chosen heir when Obama runs. Want to know what it feels like to get shit on, lied to and stabbed in the back?
Just ask Al Gore.

No, Obama, stay as far away from the Clinton's as you can.
You could still win this thing, but if not, you can sit it out in the Senate and make another run later.

run in 2012 (and hopefully by then the Clinton hold on the Democratic Party will be no more).

One thing is very obvious - you can't trust the Clintons. They have no integrity.

I really prefer the first option. No Hillary on the ticket. No Bush or Clinton ever again.

President.

CNN political analyst Bill Schneider, sums it up best for me - He said this could be a debate "where John Edwards gets back in the game. He's effectively making his points, while Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are in silly squabbles. Voters have too many concerns to care about Obama and Clinton's political potshots."


I hope your summation of John's campaign futures are horribly wrong. And since you spoke your opinion about an Obama/Clinton or vice versa ticket, mine is that wouldn't happen in a million years. There's no love loss there. Barack is VERY upset of the negative role her PRESIDENT husband is playing in talking negatively about Obama. Now, all is fair in politics, but I agree the former President shouldn't be getting so muddy in his comments, and he did somewhat.

Now, back to the guy that should be the next President of the USA - He was, again - debate after debate he does it, on target, factual, energetic, focused on stating why he would be the best one to bring change, and what change he would bring. I hope he gets above 20% and shuts some of these talking heads up. I know it's a VERY long uphill battle for him, but he did himself no shame or harm with tonight's amazing performance.

Thanks.

the first female/black male president/vice president (or other way around) ticket ever is not a shameful or unworthy event to have happen, but the political odds of having that much change overnight would be like having all 50 states ratify gay marriage by 2020. It's not going to happen.

I can certainly see Hillary offering Obama the VP seat, because if she wins it will be through running him through a grinder as she has already done. She will need him on the ticket to repair the Democratic Community, and if he refuses she could very well lose in November due to her own tactics.

However, even under those circumstances he should refuse. All he has to do is sit down with Al Gore, and Gore will flat out tell him it's a bad idea. Clinton will need him to bring in the Democrats she alienated, but once she gets to the White House, he'll be shoved in a back room and permanently silenced. He might steal the spot light from her and the Clinton name - and that can't happen. Ask Gore.

Hillary would never allow herself to be VP because I think she sees the job as demeaning to her importance. With Hillary, it's President or nothing. She will likely return to the Senate in a much more diminished role if Obama wins.

This would be like Axl Rose and David Lee Roth starting a band together. No one wants to be outshined by their running mate. Clinton/Richardson or Obama/Biden is more like it.

On the other hand, I remember when GHWB and Reagan were running against each other. Man, they hated each other's guts! And look what happened.

Politics can be funny that way. So you never know....

then it always has a chance of happening, no matter what the candidates think of each other.

I can't picture her accepting a #2 spot on the ticket. It would be "below" her. :eyes:

Too much open hostility caught on tape,
But also considet the following... Obama is running an insurgent campaign focused on changing th tone in DC... There is no upside to him putting Clinton on the ticket.

Hillary would not want him as VP because even if he shores up support with Black voters who are at risk if she goes negative. It doe not give her support where she needs it.

Obama/Richardson
Clinton/Graham


are where I see things playing right now.

after seeing last night's debate, I can't imagine that.

for each other. They spent a considerable amount of debate time accusing each other of lying. No way are they going to make nice and run together. I think Hillary already has a running mate in mind. His name is Wes Clark.

that's a fantastic choice... cements her position as the candidate who can be a global leader.

speaking on her behalf. If she gets the nomination, I'd be surprised if she chose anyone else.

Her Majesty will never accept second billing. If she wins the primary she'd be smart to court him. He has an astonishing level of appeal for young people. I have never seen so many under 30s be so jazzed about a candidate in my life. I'm just worried that her Rove-ian campaign tactics will turn them off and they'll sit out the election or vote 3rd party (and you know there will be a 3rd party coming in).

It's probably the best possible outcome for a Hillary victory now that I think about it.

IF Clinton wins nod, she should ask Obama to be VP and he should accept.

I've said this before, but what the hell, I'll say it again.

Clinton/Obama is good for all involved. It unifies the party, gives Obama the experience to run in 2016, turns out independent voters who want Obama but might not bother with Hillary, and opens up serious runs in Southern states.

Obama/Clinton, on the other hand, is bad for all involved. With her age and experience contrasted to Obama, the VP is a seriously "also-ran" gig for Clinton. Her position on the ballot turns off many of the indie and GOP voters Obama hopes to woo away, while also turning out hordes of conservatives to vote against the ticket, many of whom might have stayed home given the sad field of candidates on the GOP side. Further, Clinton's position on the ticket offers no electoral strategic advantage to Obama -- it moves no states from GOP to Dem. Instead, Obama needs someone with plenty of experience but none of the "star power" of Clinton. Preferably somebody from the West or Southwest. Preferably Bill Richardson.

A bit monotonous, ain't it?!

God only knows what might happen between now and Feb 5... or this spring, FFS!