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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:04 AM
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Obama, Wal-Mart and hypocrisy
after his little slap at Clinton for serving on Wal-Mart's Board years ago and for being a "corporate attorney", it occurred to me that he may have just made a strategic error. So, after wracking my poor tired brain, I remembered this:

Michelle Obama leaves TreeHouse board

...

TreeHouse’s largest customer is retailer Wal-Mart Stores Inc., and the company paid $26.2 million in total compensation in 2005 to then-CEO Sam K. Reed. Both have drawn media and political note, given Sen. Obama’s criticism of Wal-Mart and corporate pay practices.

Ms. Obama was paid about $50,000 a year to be on the TreeHouse board, plus stock options.

...

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=25090&seenIt=1

the article is from May of 2007. Mrs. Clinton left Wal-Mart's Board in 1992.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:05 AM
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1. wow, knocking a candidate's wife for her business connections
how vaguely familiar sounding....almost like I heard this song 15 years ago somehow.
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Truthiness Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:09 AM
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3. One big difference; TreeHouse sells American-made products
Treehouse is an American food company; Walmart sells $15 billion worth of Chinese goods a year.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:10 AM
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6. Treehouse's biggest retailer is Wal-Mart
so, in essence, Wal-Mart could be said to have been paying Michelle Obama $50,000 a year plus stock options
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:15 AM
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9. This is so bogus. Now every supplier to Walmart is complicit in Walmarts anti-labor practices?
Damn I need to go to Walmart so I can get a list of every supplier that we need to condemn.

Walmart sells practically everything!

Geez Louise!
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:19 AM
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10. Obama opened the Wal-Mart door
perhaps conveniently forgetting his wife snagged a cool $50,000 a year (plus stock) with a company that does the majority of their business with them. If Hillary sitting on Wal-Mart's board 16 years ago is an issue the Michelle leaving the Board of a Corporation just last May that does tons of business with Wal-Mart is as well.
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Truthiness Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:30 AM
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17. If we're gonna play tit for tat, Bill Clinton deregulated the mortgage industry
Bill Clinton's repeal of New Deal legislation that regulated the banking industry can be linked directly to today's foreclosure crisis. More of the same is what we definitely do NOT need:

When Franklin Roosevelt took office, both the President and Congress knew the banking crisis demanded immediate action. The result was one of the crown jewels of the New Deal: the Glass-Steagall Act, officially known as the Banking Act of 1933. Glass made sure the bill forbid banks from getting into the investment business. In addition, the bill established the Federal Deposit Insurance Company, which protects our bank deposits...

The repeal of one of the most important pieces of legislation in this nation's history came about as a result of another Clinton "triangulation," the wobbling attempt to find the middle of the road that has somehow managed to pass for a philosophy with many Democrats for over two decades. As former Clinton former campaign Richard Morris once described it, you move a little to the left, a little to the right. I'd love to hear Clinton give that explanation to a foreclosed home owner today.

With the stroke of a pen, Bill Clinton ended an era that stretched back to William Jennings Bryan and Woodrow Wilson and reached fruition with FDR and Harry Truman. As he signed his name, in the whorls and dots of his pen strokes William Jefferson Clinton was also symbolically signing the death warrant of Liberal America and its core belief in the level playing field that had guided the Democratic Party. But it was the gift of the pen to Sanford Weill and its assuming an honored place on the Wall of Me that rubbed salt in the wound.


http://www.progressivehistorians.com/2007/11/bill-clintons-role-in-mortgage-crisis.html


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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:56 AM
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19. A company can only control their own practices.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 10:57 AM by dkf
Now tell me that Michelle's company was abusive to their employees and I will take another look.

What are they supposed to do? Say they won't sell to Walmart until Walmart changes their practices?

You think a supplier to Walmart has similar power to a member of the board of Walmart? How looney tunes is that?

This is so clueless I don't know what to say.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:48 PM
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37. then perhaps Obama shouldn't try to resurrect an association
Hillary had with a company 16 years ago without first revealing his wife had been making -- as of 9 months ago -- $50,000 from a company whose main retailer is Wal-Mart.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:50 AM
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24. Especially because most business know that if they don't supply to Wal-Mart, they
won't survive. I remember reading about several manufacturers that hate Wal-Mart and hate supplying Wal-Mart, but they would go under if they didn't because Wal-Mart is the only retailer in some areas.
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:04 PM
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29. Rubbermaid Comes To Mind
Look at what happened to them when the asked for a slight price increase from Wal-Mart. They no longer exist. They learned the hard way about crossing Wal-Mart.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:07 PM
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30. except, in reality, she didn't work for Wal-Mart
in essence, your OP is BS
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:09 AM
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4. at $50,000 a year, Wal-Mart could be said to have helped
pay for Obama's Tony Rezko house. He opened the Wal-Mart door so expect people to step through it.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:12 AM
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8. CCF battles Dean and REAL Dems
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:13 AM by GalleryGod
Were standin' wit da Clintons on diss one..fugeddaboutit!



Jersey's In Da' Bag !
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:10 AM
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5. Stock options that Web Hubble helped with....
Right you are, Magic Rat.




Da Clintons ? Yeah, I been wit dem
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:35 AM
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23. Whitewater anyone?
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:54 PM
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38. I'll see your tired, played out Whitewater with a piping hot Tony Rezko
He goes on trial Feb 25th and Obama's listed as "political candidate" in the Patrick Fitzgerald's (of Scooter Libby fame) prosecution papers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-lewis/obama-the-slumlord-_b_82599.html

In just four weeks time, on February 25th, Tony Rezko goes on trial facing federal charges of major corruption. The Chicago Sun-Times reported on Saturday that Barack Obama has just been identified by a source as the unnamed "political candidate" referred to in a document that outlines the case against Rezko.

Obama is NOT accused of any crime. It is his friend and political patron for the last 18 years -- who has contributed nearly $170,000 to Obama's campaigns -- who is accused of attempted extortion, money laundering, and fraud.

The loathsome GOP Oppo Research teams and hatchet men who "unleashed hell on Al Gore" and who stoked the Swift Boat smears on John Kerry are digging far deeper into this story as you read these words...

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:06 AM
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2. People forget about 'glass-houses'
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:11 AM
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7. Also, Obama lied when he said Wal-mart was shipping jobs overseas when Hillary was there.
In fact, Sam Walton was going around the country seeking small businesses for "made in america" products at the time. One of the best times in Wal-mart history, in fact. Obama doesn't know what he is talking about, truly; and MSM gives him a pass on this.
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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:07 AM
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11. Michelle Obama isn't running for President Hillary is...
duh? - But this is the same logic that lets hillary infer she was part of everything great in Bill Clinton's Presidency... but deflect everything bad...
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:27 AM
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16. Hillary also convinced Sam to start building "Green" stores that ended up being used
in most of the new stores to help save energy AND she pushed hard for more women to be given management positions
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:06 PM
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34. So with this influence she could have also influenced his labor practices...
No? And how many of these "green stores" were built. I only read about one.
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:07 PM
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35. "pushed hard for more women to be given management positions"
When was this, when she gave birth to Chelsea?
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:05 PM
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33. in fact?
in fact?
Most Favored Nation status for post Tianenman Square China?
Trade benefits for the country providing that sweet slave labor for
Prescott Bush's friends?
in fact.
in deed.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:11 PM
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36. Obama is starting to unravel. Any probing by the MSM will finish him off.(eom)
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:11 AM
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12. Nominated for most pathetic post of the day.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:51 AM
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25. K&R - eom
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:12 AM
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13. It was a huge tactical mistake by Obama.
Will definitely come back to bite him.
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:03 PM
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32. biting the Achille's heel?
for whom?
Try to run on Wal-Mart's record.
SHE IS GOING TO HAVE TO.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:13 AM
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14. Guilt by assoiciation, on the wifes part, with a different business entity altogether. No story,
Nuff said.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:17 AM
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15. But it's OK when Obama targets Bill Clinton?
Hypocrisy anybody?
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:02 PM
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27. bill clinton has been shoveling crap about obama for weeks now.
Last time I check Michelle hasn't been blatantly lying about Hillary.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:31 AM
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18. Some spouses seem to be more "off limits" than others. She may not run, but her income
from Walmart's parent, benefited the Obama family. Pot, meet kettle.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:30 AM
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20. Yeah and some Walmart employees make money from Walmart
I guess they are complicit for Walmart's awful employment practices?

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:35 AM
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22. She wasn't an employee. She was ON THE BOARD - paid to be their figurehead
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 11:35 AM by robbedvoter
rather than working hard to make a living there.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:32 AM
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21. TreeHouse is not Wal-Mart. Good luck finding a contractor or investment firm *without* any
ties to the world's largest retailer.
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LuvMyPorsche Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:55 AM
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26. lol...
the corporate attorney calling the corporate attorney.... black?
obama is slick packaging, a hybrid of MLK and Atticus Finch. In reality he holds the "true change and progressive agenda" flag but there's nothing he can do with it. And what experience? He isn't fit to be a Governor, lol... give him another 10 years and I'll look at him. But for now, in today's world... Hillary is much better.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:28 PM
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28. HillaryWorld is in a hysterical tizzy today.
Hillary was terrible last night.
Accept it.
Move on.
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:02 PM
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31. lol
is that being intellectually honest?
Is it that important that you try?
Is it more significant that the "top tier"
had "relations" with Uncle Sam, or
DOESNT IT MATTER WHAT THEYVE DONE TO STOP THIS ILLEGAL WAR?
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