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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:12 AM
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If Edwards loses badly on Saturday, should he be in the next debate?
Edwards own staffers admit in private that he can't win a single state. He'll lose his birth state South Carolina--badly--despite the fact that he WON it in 2004.. He'll lose even his home state of North Carolina. Just like he lost Iowa. And New Hampshire. Just like he was a non-entity in Nevada.

If we have two serious, viable candidates in this race, shouldn't we let those two duke it out on stage? The choice is Clinton or Obama. Why introduce a non-viable option on stage? His voice has been heard, he has introduced issues into the discussion. But, it's time to pick a nominee, and he is not part of that equation. Or, at least he won't be after losing by 25 points on Saturday.

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:13 AM
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1. I'm still waiting to see if Obama or Hillary suddenly tanks.....
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:15 AM
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3. That isn't going to happen.
Massive numbers of people aren't going to wake up one morning and realize "oh, __________ sucks. How could I have supported them?"
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:21 AM
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11. Skeletons coming out of the closet that could ruin a GE win?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:22 AM
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13. Those would have come out by now. n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:24 AM
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15. I hope so.....
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:22 AM
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12. I respectfully suggest you and others remember:
we're dealing with human beings, with 24/7 coverage. We're dealing with a volatile domestic and world stage.

ANYTHING can happen to affect the campaign(s) still.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:23 AM
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14. So, Chris Dodd could still win it?
I mean, you said ANYTHING could happen.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:26 AM
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16. I will keep an open mind. It's way too early to assume NOTHING...
is going to change the landscape.

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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:16 AM
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4. People need to remember that anything is possible. After all...
we are dealing with human beings, in a 24/7 coverage environment. And who knows what's gonna happen in the world to influence this race?

That's why these predictions baffle me.

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN, PEOPLE. ;)
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:15 AM
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2. I think many Clinton and Obama supporters prefer he stay in...
he has been relevant in setting the tone for the debate, IMHO.

Of course, I think he does much more than that...lol. I wish Dennis and Gravel and anyone still on the ticket could have been participating as well. We tend to miss the forest for the trees if we narrow it down to those two too soon (as if that wasn't done months ago...but I'm talking about the debates themselves).
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:19 AM
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6. Issues are important. But the ultimate goal is to pick a nominee.
It boils down to Clinton or Obama.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:21 AM
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9. I know, and I think the best way to do so is to have them engage...
more than one other person in debate.

Just my opinion.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:32 AM
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22. There will be only two people on stage
when Obama or Clinton go up against McCain.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:45 AM
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28. And I, like many, are still in the PRIMARY selection process. I still want to see...
how they engage others in their own party, though at the same time imagine them on stage with repubs.

This is a fundamental difference here at DU. Some of us want to have a real primary, others want to annoint before the show begins.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:21 AM
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10. The campaign and debates began more than six months ago.
I can't think any narrowing would come too soon with that perspective.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:18 AM
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5. Absolutely, he should be in debates.
Think about just Hillary and Obama up there sniping and growling at each other.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:20 AM
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7. Good. I want to see which one can play good offense and
good defense, who can throw a sharp elbow without resorting to dirty politics.

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:20 AM
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8. No - he's toast.
Keep the focus on the actual players. It's much too late to bother with also-rans.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:27 AM
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17. As long as his numbers are still up, he should stay in
Once he dips under the Kucinich Line of Non-Viability, then it'll be time to go, but he looks fine for now.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:29 AM
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18. It's great for the democratic process when we call for others' candidates to
drop out. In fact, why not urge their public stoning, as long as we're on the topic.

No violence, verbal or actual, visited upon a fellow Democrat should go unconsidered.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 AM
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19. I always love how you phrase things. Thanks. n/t
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 AM
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20. As long as he still has the nat'l poll numbers, yes he most
definitely should. Even if he can't win, I like the fact that he helps keep them focused on poverty, the economy, the free trade problem, etc., rather than sound bites.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:31 AM
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21. No it's not time to pick a nominee. That will be in Denver in AUGUST!
Nice try.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:32 AM
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23. I think that if he can at least get some delegates his campaign can limp along
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:35 AM
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26. He already has a large number of delegates.
None of the candidates are that far apart from each other on that front. That's the funny thing about how the media presents things.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:42 AM
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27. He did not win any delegates in Nevada
Two straight shut-outs would not bode well.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:48 AM
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29. He has no shot at getting large numbers
of delegates from the big states.

None.

He doesn't have any organization or advertising in CA, IL, NY, NJ, etc etc. Clinton and Obama will get 90% of the delegates from those states.

He's not playing to win at this point.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:19 AM
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30. That's not the issue, is it?
His current status, from national polling, to past primary / caucus results, to current number of delegates seem to all qualify him for participation in a debate.

Come super Tuesday, ask me again and it may be different.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:33 AM
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24. Yes, but not given equal time.
4% in Nevada doesn't rate 33% of the air time.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:33 AM
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25. His delegate count says yes.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:34 AM by Political Heretic
He is also polling in double digits at state and national levels. He seems to have thus met any relevant requirement that could be constructed for participation in a debate.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:36 AM
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32. Barely. He's at 10% in CA
In yesterday's Marist poll of NY, he's at 9%. In most national polls he's around 12 to 14%. In Alabama he's under 10%.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:24 AM
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31. that will be decided by the corporate networks
no one has a say in who gets to be in the debasement but them. they will decide who we are to choose.

the ghoul has worse numbers than dennis but he is still in the debasements while dennis has to go to court to be heard

the big three say nothing about the censorship of dennis because they do not want to upset their masters.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:41 AM
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33. does "lose badly" mean no delegates?
If he doesn't win any delegates, there's a good chance he'll drop out before the next debate anyway. But if he is still winning delegates, sure he should be in the debate.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:41 AM
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34. Yes!! By all means- keep him in!!!
With Hillary & Obama the only ones left...all choice is taken away.

Bad enough their attempt to silence Kucinich...they eliminate Edwards and it HAS to be obvious to everyone at that point its the corporate MSM that has chosen...NOT the people!!

Why do "serious candidates" have to *duke it out*?? Our primaries are a big fat f'ing joke people. Wake up.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:14 PM
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35. Do We Live In A "FREE COUNTRY?" Or did I dream that?
Fuck obama and Hillary - don't expect JOHN to step down because they can't hold their own!
He creamed them BOTH last night! I for one would like to see him do it again!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:15 PM
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36. Wow... the NYT sure is getting LOTS of mileage out of those "unnamed sources"
the credulity is astounding...
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:17 PM
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37. Yes Edwards continues to debate, how else are will we know what Obama & Hill are up to?
nt
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:22 PM
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38. He has to be-
How else with the two others know what to say?
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