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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:34 PM Original message |
While on the board of Wal-Mart, Hillary voted "Present" regarding union-busting. |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. LOL! |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. Please provide a link on the board votes, thank you. NT |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. IP'er knows there are none--so IP conjures up poop. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I don't know if the IP has done the research |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
40. Hillary pushing labor rights, esp for women and minorities, is well known -but unions were Sam's hot |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
75. The real decisons don't involve votes |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Nor does she realize what the last paragraph means |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. yes, half-truths seem to be politics as usual in Obama/Clinton |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Sorry, but achieving small positives, while not standing up... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
50. Small positives? Put down the crack pipe and read your OWN cite! |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Gladly. Did you, by chance, read it? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. I sure did. You didn't, though. Try reading the WHOLE article, why don't you? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I have, several times. And nowhere do I see that she stuck up for labor... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. Where's that PRESENT vote? Hmmm? You spin, but you can't produce that vote. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
56. What she did, when she did it, and where she did it WAS very commendable |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. And a lot of people posting for Obama do not know the |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. Methinks the POINT of this msg was HRC's comment about Obama's "present" vote |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Thank you for understanding this... |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
78. What's even more disconcerting for me is this: Why did HRC even |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Exactly. If she wasn't there to take a stand... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
102. Two reasons: |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #102 |
111. Thanks for the information. |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #102 |
117. Exactly! nt |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
126. Gotta Go TO Work >. This IS Crucial That America Is Aware Of Her Indefensible Actions Against LABOR! |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Poop? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. IP'er knows there are none--yet the IP spreads falsehoods. Obama would be so proud! |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. You might want to do a little research yourself... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. I'm happy to present you with that proof. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Spamming the board with the same link isn't proof of anything. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Did you read either article? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. Bwahahaha!! |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:40 PM Original message |
More people are probably affected by Wal-Mart's policies... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
52. You be sure to tell the good people of IL that a single individual |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. We're talking about national influence here. Thanks...n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. Actually, we're talking about PRESENT votes--but you keep running away from your own subject. NT |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Actually we're talking about avoiding key issues. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. No, 'we' are not. You started this fire, bright eyes--we're talking about a PRESENT vote that you |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Why did Hillary fail to stand up to Wal-Mart's anti-labor policies? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Obama: PRESENT. You answer your own false assertion, why doncha? NT |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Goodbye. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Awwww. Hillary didn't vote PRESENT on the WALMART board. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
105. When it all shakes out, who buys who? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. WALMART under Sam Walton isn't today's WALMART |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. You are misinformed. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. No, you're misinformed. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. I think you are being deliberately obtuse. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. No I am not. I'm being quite clear. What part of the "Walmart footprint" |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. This did not come out of the blue. People were warning about it |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Regardless of your assertions, this did not become a widely discussed |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. "deliberately obtuse" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. Good ... then you won't be reading this. That two word phrase describes you to a tee. |
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NoBorders (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Or cherry picking 100 votes out of 4000 |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
47. They weren't votes on establishing a State Pizza Topping, or Praising Miss Jones For Her |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
74. And many of them were part of a Planned Parenthood strategy... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
89. John Edwards told Obama why his PRESENT votes were wrong. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. His credibility exceeds Planned Parenthood? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Obama: PRESENT. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I take that to mean you have no proof for your "argument". |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. That's rich. Lose the fight, and pretend it's over something else! |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 04:56 AM Response to Reply #107 |
124. I've read your posts through out this thread. All I have to say is |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Thank you so much. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
9. when I went to orientation at Wal-Mart (yes, I worked there) |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
10. One of the questions that people should ask is "What did HRC do at the Rose Law firm?" n/t |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
11. If Mr. Walton was "vocal in his opposition to unions"... |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. voice of reality. At least she tried to move two progressive causes |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Hill. worked to get more WOMEN in management postions and eviromental package |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I think that you and the person you responded to... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. With little success. |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
13. Ouch! |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
118. Thanks for the pics, BTW. n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
15. Rose Law firm: "We also advise clients on union avoidance, organizing campaigns ..." |
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Gidney N Cloyd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Rose defends mgt's side on all these issues? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. well, why would they advise a union on "union avoidance" ? What did HRC do at Rose Law firm? n/t |
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Gidney N Cloyd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
54. I'm just asking. It sounded like you were pretty familiar with the kind of cases they take. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
72. Wow. I wonder if that has always been their focus? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Tom Mars -- head of WalMart's legal dept -- worked for Hillary at the Rose Law firm |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. We've all been in group situations... |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Indeed. You all should be a "fly on the wall" at some of my |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
21. Tom Mars --head of WalMart legal dept -- worked for HRC at the Rose Law firm |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. While a member, Wal-Mart's union-busting tactics were brought before the board... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Yes, you said that already. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Clinton supporters were asking for proof... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Proof of what? That Sam Walton ran the company? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. That she knew what Wal-Mart was doing and did not speak-out against it... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Position of influence? You obviously know nothing about Wal-Mart. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. If she had no influence, how did Hillary push these "women's issues".... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Read your own article. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Is she planning on "picking her battles" as President too? |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. That's what being president is all about. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Like when Hillary said she would not waver on healthcare last night? |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. I looked at the articles, not one union vote was described |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Nor was one objection recorded... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. No, they were looking for that PRESENT vote you snarked about. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Nice deflection. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Deflection my ass. You're NOT entitled to your own "facts" there, Sunshine. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. And you're not entitled to dismiss facts... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #69 |
86. But I AM entitled to dismiss bullshit. And I don't see you producing what you said you had. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I am calling you out to refute the contents of my post. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. That ain't how it works, SUNSHINE. You posted something that YOU are unable to PROVE. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Is the title misleading? Yes. Why did Hillary fail to stand-up against Wal-Mart's |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #100 |
109. Your title is clear as day. You claim Clinton voted present, and you can't prove it. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. doesn't identify any votes, could you please provide votes? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. She did not stand up for labor. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. You ever involved in corporate world? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Just because you can't win doesn't mean that you don't fight... |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. A board member's responsibiltiy is to the stockholders |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Doesn't matter. She didn't stand up and fight!!! |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Not that she's anti-labor. But that she's calculating... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
34. How many picket lines has HRC walked in support of striking union workers? n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. funny...I can't find any record of HRC walking a picket line...can anyone? n/t |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
71. Me neither. I do come across a lot of discussion of Mark Penn though...n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. You mean, "Hillary Clinton's labor problem"? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Yes. And others. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Thanks...n/t |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
48. Unbelievable. On top of that, she also worked hard to destroy the environment: |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I'd like to go to that Kansas store.... |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. We have the "regular" Walmarts around here but rarely go there |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
76. This has come back to haunt her |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Maybe that's why she refuses to talk about it? |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. It looks like Walmart is going to feature heavily in these primaries! |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. As it should, considering she's never explained it.....n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. and we need to ask, 'EXACTLY what did she do at the Rose Law Firm?" n/t |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Good luck with that, lol. But I do hope that Obama brings it up.... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Exactly! n/t |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
93. It's hard to believe that the Farm Workers Union is about to endorse her, isn't it? |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #93 |
123. Did they know that her campaign manager is a union buster? |
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127. Kick! n/t |
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