I hate hypocrites!

Mrs. Clinton had greater success on environmental issues. At her request, Mr. Walton set up the environmental advisory group, which sent a series of recommendations to the company’s board.

When it came time to pick members, Mrs. Clinton, who led the advisory group, reached out to at least two colleagues from the McGovern presidential campaign — Mr. Mauro and Roy Spence, who headed an advertising firm in Texas that did extensive work for Wal-Mart.

Under her watch, the advisory group drew up elaborate plans. Consumers would bring in used motor oil and batteries for recycling. Suppliers would reduce the size of their packaging. And Wal-Mart would build stores with energy-saving features.

Wal-Mart executives put much of the program into place. In 1993, for example, they opened an experimental “eco-store” in Kansas, with skylights and wooden beams from forests that had not been clear cut.

One executive derided it as “Hillary’s store” because it was more expensive to build than the average Wal-Mart, but several of its features, like the skylights that cut energy bills by reducing the need for artificial lighting, were widely copied across the industry.

“We were on the leading edge of something that is being mandated now,” said Bill Fields, the head of merchandise at Wal-Mart in the early 1990s who worked closely with Mrs. Clinton on the environmental project.


While Sam Walton was alive, he paid a fair wage for a day's work. He also stocked his stores with shit that was MADE IN USA. Unionizing was less of an issue. It was after he died that management really started fucking the worker to save money on their bottom line, and the Walmart UNION cries started reaching critical mass.

But revisionist history is so much more fun.

Good job at dispelling some of the s--t that gets thrown against the wall regarding Hillary and WalMart.

Equally effective was this analysis of Obama's record of "present" votes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4154278

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that strident supporters of the candidates view any analysis or explanation as attempt to "spin" the "truth". Most seem to have little inclination to keep an open mind and learn something. Their idea seems to be to keep throwing the same s--t against the wall. It may not stick, but the uninformed, will, they hope, think that something stinks about the other candidate, anyway.

Have you seen the High Cost of Low Prices? Maybe you should.
http://www.walmartmovie.com/

Happy viewing.

That outfit was a very different place when Sam Walton was alive.

I fully realize what happened to his business model after his death.

But thanks for the didactic post, there!

Many of my family members did. I know who these people are now, and I know who they were then. Anyone that wants to talk about how great Walmart was "in the old days" was never there. Get some on the ground experience before you just run out to find articles to post.

Do you have any real life experience with Walmart, then or now? And if you don't, you shouldn't talk. All you're are doing is quoting press releases from this terrible company.

Retail work is never great, but while Sam Walton was alive, he had essential respect for his "associates." He kept prices low, and he kept wages as low as he could get away with. That's called a profitable business model. See, it enables the company to STAY IN BUSINESS.

I am not going to sit here and school you on the essential features of running a business. You go do your own research on that.

Further, you could tell me all day that you had a thousand cousins who worked at Walmart (this is the internet, I could tell you I'm the Ghost of Luciano Pavarotti, too) and that kind of anecdotal crap is apropos of entirely NOTHING.

Are your family members STUPID? If it was so ghastly, why did they work there? Why didn't they leave in a huff, tossing their little blue smocks at Simon Legree and stomping out those big double doors?

If you tell me that was the ONLY job available to them, well, you might want to do a little homework on market forces and their impact on wages. Those guys aren't running a charity, they're running a BUSINESS. And they WILL cut the cloth according to the measure. Why? Because they CAN.

Do you have any real life experience with running a business? And if you don't, you shouldn't talk. All you're doing is providing me with halfassed opinions and incomplete logic, which superimposes the excesses of WALMART today on the company that Sam Walton ran.

And, FWIW, those aren't press releases I am quoting. That's from the NYT ARTICLE cited in the OP, Sunshine...which you apparently didn't even read!

Again, my family has always worked retail, and of all the people who they worked for, there is one name that comes up again and again as the absolute worst.

Why do you feel the need to defend such an awful company?

And pleas, do not condesend to me with that Sunshine crap. I don't think I've insulted you here.

We just disagree. Did I call you honey? Or dear? It's people like you that make it easy to know who is on the right side of this issue.

that was run by Sam Walton. They are two profoundly different organizations. I am not going to do your homework for you.

It's like suggesting that George Washington could have mustered troops faster during the Revolutionary War if only he'd remembered to bring his cell phone. An anachronistic assertion that dismisses the actual environment at the time.

You can't talk about WALMART now and pretend that it reflects WALMART back then. Well, you can, but you'd be speaking from a perspective of error and ignorance as to the business model AND scope of the company back then.

You're welcome to call me Honey if you'd like. Or Dear. I don't find terms of endearment insulting. But then, I don't have a short "High Dudgeon" fuse, either. "People like me" (now that's a charming phrase) who rely on facts rather than nonsense that I've "heard" from someone else, or revised history that is perpetuated to hype an agenda, generally don't.

So yes, we just disagree.

:hi:

I think my reputation here on DU is pretty good where that is concerned.

Anecdotes don't cut it. They're interesting, they might provide a speck of insight, but they aren't "proof" of anything save the experience of an individual or three.

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poo flinging. It was obvious that Obama didn't know what the hell he was talking about

I know he was trying to insult her but

couldn't figure out what the actual insult was supposed to be

Maye it was supposed to the Tourette strategy. Just yap out words

"corporate"...."board"...."lawyer"...."Walmart" and see if anything sticks

OBAMA: But when you comb my 4,000 votes in Illinois, choose one...

(APPLAUSE)

... try to present it in the worst possible light, that does have to be answered. That does have to be answered.

EDWARDS: We've cast hundreds and hundreds of votes. What you're criticizing her for, by the way, you've done to us, which is you pick this vote and that vote out of the hundreds that we've cast.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: No.

EDWARDS: And what -- all I'm saying is, what's fair is fair.

If you're going to call me out, at least provide an argument.