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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:45 PM
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Daschle says President Clinton acting ‘unpresidential’
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/daschle-says-president-clinton-acting-unpresidential-2008-01-22.html

Daschle says President Clinton acting ‘unpresidential’
By Sam Youngman
Posted: 01/22/08 10:33 AM


Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), speaking on behalf of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), said on a conference call Tuesday morning that former President Bill Clinton’s criticisms of Obama in recent days and weeks are “not presidential.”

“It’s not in keeping with the role of a former president,” Daschle said.

The former majority leader said the Clintons are engaging in the same kind of tactics Republicans did when they went after him in 2004, defeating him in his reelection bid even as he was the sitting Senate leader of his party.

“This is the same kind of tactic that Washington uses quite frequently,” Daschle said, adding, “I think it destroys the party. Ultimately, it divides us.”

The purpose of the call was to announce the creation of the South Carolina Truth Squad, which Daschle said will “respond forcefully to each and every one of these distortions.”
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:46 PM
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1. Agreed
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:14 PM
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28. He's actually acting quite "vice presidential" in the sense that they usually
do the attacking and campaign dirty work, while the presidential candidate tries to remain "above it all".
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:36 PM
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33. Tom is a lobbyist now - I don't think he would leave his lucrative job
for VP.

Oh the irony - Obama needs a lobbyist to speak for him.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:41 PM
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35. ditto
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:47 PM
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2. Call me cazy but did't y'all dislike Daschel cuz he had no backbone?
:shrug:
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:51 PM
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7. Ah, yes, the Daschle hate here was extraordinary.
Those were the days....
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:51 PM
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8. Yup!
I remember those days well...
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:55 PM
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13. yup. Daschle was lambasted
on this board for being weak and accomodating (full disclosure, I worked for the 2004 reelection campaign in SD) tom daschle is a good man. And amazingly, it is many of the same people who support Obama in this race, apparently not understanding that Obama is Tom's heir in the senate, he has many of the same star, and much in common politically and policy-wise.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:11 PM
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44. Daschle may be a good man,
but he was a poor Senate minority leader.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:56 PM
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15. xultar you are so right and you did great by calling this to the
attention of others. Yes, I realize Bill is an ex president but then again he is a private citizen and he does not lose his right to speak out for HRC. He does have a right to speak out against obama and obama's positions and especially on this reagan issue which was and obama tried to be too cute by half on this as it was intended as a slap at the clinton administration, but it backfired on obama. obama does himself no good when he goes after the only democratic president that beat those facist bastards twice and left office with a high 60 approval and the last taken he was liked by 83% democrats. Yes, it will be lower the next time because of the lies and alibies obama and his team put out there, but once folks step back and see and read the truth and know neither clinton played the race card nor disrespected dr.king.....

an old expression down south reminds me of obama, talking out his ass cause his mouth knows better...
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:02 PM
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17. He did fine. Rove beat him. Wasn't so fair,nor square, but, he did lose.
The Boys caucus for Obama...Ari and Turtle count the "viables"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:04 PM
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20. So? What Tom Daschle says is
true no matter how he didn't have a backbone as minorty leader under the bushit regime..he wasn't the only one who showed no backbone in that Senate.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:47 PM
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3. on the other hand, if Daschle had bothered to go after the Repubbies a little more forcefully
...perhaps he could've stemmed some of the damage they did...
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:04 PM
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19. Point well taken,Sir. I agree that TD should've been more in the attack mode.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:07 PM
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23. And if hilary and bill had
gone after both bushes as forcefully as they're going after Obama, who is standing in their way, then this country would be way better off.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:32 PM
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32. There's no question the Demo fire should be focused on the Repubbies...
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 01:32 PM by villager
I just question Daschle's bona fides to discern what constitutes a trenchant or effective political strategies...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:41 PM
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34. Right ..there's no question but
the hilarys didn't do it so why does Daschle have to be under fire cause he's sorting out the clinton lies NOW?

All the dems except the brave ones like Ted Kennedy, who is also telling bill clinton to cool it, acted like weenies..including hilary and bill.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:45 PM
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37. I just think it's too late for Daschle to weigh in credibly on what might be good for the Democrats
His own moment of effectiveness passed when he kept rolling over for the Bushies...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:53 PM
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40. Oh and hil and bill can weigh in?
That's hypocritical.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:56 PM
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41. I don't seek to replicate the Dems larger in-house fight on this thread... and you have a point
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 02:19 PM by villager
...about Bill, who certainly lacked effectiveness in standing up to the GOP.

It's just that when Daschle, in particular, uses phrases spouting about what's "good for the party," it's hard to take him seriously. That's all.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:21 PM
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45. hilary didn't stand up either.
I believe in John Edwards now..that he changed..we all have different perspectives and mine is..we're capable of having epiphanies and I'll give Tom Daschle a chance, like I'm giving John Edwards, until I see he doesn't deserve it.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:48 PM
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4. Totally agree with Daschle. Bill has recently acted like a bully.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:48 PM
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5. Sounds like Clinton appears to be effective in helping Hillary - at least to Daschle
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:13 PM
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27. Right..bill clinton's lies are a study
in the way to run a country..and the fucker just keeps on lyin'.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:49 PM
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6. "I think it destroys the party"
This is the course Clinton is taking. Sure, his wife might get the nom, but it will leave Dems very bitter and divided, having our most popular president acting like an attack dog in a party primary.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:09 PM
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25. How many times has Bubba said how all three are capable of being good presidents? MANY. nt
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:52 PM
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9. haha
Tom Daschle- the ultimate authority on how to strengthen the Democratic Party. Give me a break.
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:53 PM
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10. just like Daschle believed that doing absolutely anything to halt the
republican onslaught when he was minority leader would be considered "unstatesmanlike"
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:54 PM
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11. Criticizing Obama "destroys the party?"
Daschle is clutching his pearls, how precious. I'm now going to thank the republicans for forcing this idiotic tool out of office. I don't care for Bill Clinton's behavior recently, but it hardly destroys the party. And division is a perfectly natural part of politics. Daschle is yet another goddamned fool who wants everyone to play nice together, former head of the capitulation wing of the Democratic party. Fuck Daschle.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:58 PM
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16. "Idiotic tool" ? Please.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 12:59 PM by GalleryGod


Here's another...coming your way,really soon. SMEAR his family, and their dedication to american politics at your peril, Sir.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:55 PM
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12. FWIW: Daschle's entire Senate Team is on the Obama Campaign
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 12:56 PM by GalleryGod
Cha-ching! Yet another Dem Senator heard from;yes,and I AM aware he got beat by Rove.


Read & Believe.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:56 PM
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14. Anticlimactic, super irony
DLC understatement of the year. Can't think of an adjective for this timely mindblowing offbeat statement
of misunderestimation worthy of its awesome boldness.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:04 PM
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18. If Daschle thinks it's wrong, there's a good possibility that it's the right thing to do.
:-)
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:05 PM
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21. I couldn't care less what Tom Daschle has to say.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:07 PM
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22. Yeah, and
Obama looked so "presidential" in his little "playground" fight with Clinton last night, right? Give me a break! :eyes:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:08 PM
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24. He was a lousy minority leader, so I don't care what he says. nt
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:09 PM
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26. Who?
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:15 PM
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29. He's speaking on behalf of Obama...
...so of course he'll slam Bill Clinton, who is campaigning hard for his wife.

What people fail to point out -- and what Obama's camp won't point out (it would be foolish of them to do so) -- is that this is uncharted territory. Any statements about what is "presidential" in this context, are simply what that one speaker thinks -- there is no precedent to judge him by.

If a candidate's spouse won't campaign for them, what does that say about the candidate? But if a candidate's spouse is a former President, then is that an unfair advantage? Obama seemed to think so, as he complained that he did not know who he was running against. I found that laughable, since both Obama's and Edward's wives are very, very visible in support of their spouses too, and have also made controversial remarks. But of course neither of them has the standing that Bill Clinton has, by virtue of being a ex-President.

Should Hillary not make use of a great asset who is on her side? It is to laugh.

Now, as to the issue of whether Bill has stepped over any lines, in regard to his standing as a former President. I don't think so, he is just campaigning hard, and that means sticking your elbows out once in awhile. I would definitely fault both him and Hillary on the truthiness scale -- saying that Obama said he "liked" Reagan and/or his policies -- he did not. On the other hand, he showed incredibly poor judgment in what he really did say, holding Reagan and his party up as the "party of ideas" -- sorry, the only way you can read that remark is one that puts the Democrats in a bad light IMO, as the party that did not have ideas. And it's not true. What the Republics had was not more ideas, but rather they had a mighty Wurlitzer to promote their so-called "ideas" -- which were really a formula for gutting government, making endless war, looting the treasury and stomping on the least amongst us.

And Daschle. Oh my goodness. Is he part of the "new politics" that Obama is pushing? If so, I only ask that people recall how effective Daschle was as Senate Majority Leader. If this is any indication of how well Obama's "new politics" will work -- no thanks.

BTW I don't support Hillary, I'm for Edwards now that Kucinich is out for all practical purposes.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:19 PM
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30. Obama has Daddy issues.
Every time he gets in trouble he runs and whines to one of his old Daddies and asks for their help.

What is that?

Of note: Right after Hillary arrived in the senate and the Dems were getting beat up pretty badly by the Repubs and the media she went to Tom and asked him to set up a war room so the Dem Senators could have a coordinated and rapid response to attacks. Tom told her - This is not hand to hand combat. Tom was/is a fool.

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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:01 PM
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42. Jeezuz ... how long to they wish to remain in a coma.? That explains alot. Thanks/nt.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:27 PM
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31. Daschle? The same Daschle that was the first Senate party leader to lose his seat in 50 years
Daschle?

I don't think President Clinton needs any advice from him.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:42 PM
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36. Dashcle who? Never thought I'd see the day Mr Bipartisanship is hailed on DU!
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 01:43 PM by robbedvoter
The parade of the irrelevant goes on.(P.S> Will he also join Bloomberg?)
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:47 PM
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38. This is weird. Can anyone cite the exact rule Bill Clinton is violating?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:47 PM
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39. he is acting like a "pain in the a$$"
let hillary run her own campaign, he already had his turn.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:03 PM
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43. Daschle??? Who cares what he thinks.
He was almost as big as a wimp as Reid is now.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:24 PM
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46. I just wish Bill would be critical of Bush as he is of Obama?
Bill hardly talks about Bush
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:39 PM
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47. Tom Daschle. Now there is a voice against the status quo/establishment and for "change"!
:rofl:
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