Edwards excels in ferocious democratic debate

Source: The Nation

Returning to his populist economic platform -- especially salient as Americans ponder a recession -- he reminded voters that he was the only candidate to outline a comprehensive plan to end poverty, and the first to introduce a national economic stimulus proposal. His plan came out weeks before Clinton and Obama. The program drove the "party's policy agenda," as Paul Krugman explained, by advocating "aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments," and alternative energy, (most of which Clinton later adopted in her plan). And while the debate moderators kept pushing trite racial questions, even asking Obama if Bill Clinton was the "first black president," Edwards outlined a vision of racial and economic equality, where "every American is of equal value."

Read more: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=273552

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Go Edwards

Again.

It is that simple.

the other two didn't.

January 20, 2008

The Honorable John E. Edwards
410 Market Street
Suite 400
Chapel Hill, NC 27516


Dear Senator Edwards:

It was good meeting with you yesterday and discussing my father’s legacy. On the day when the nation will honor my father, I wanted to follow up with a personal note.

There has been, and will continue to be, a lot of back and forth in the political arena over my father’s legacy. It is a commentary on the breadth and depth of his impact that so many people want to claim his legacy. I am concerned that we do not blur the lines and obscure the truth about what he stood for: speaking up for justice for those who have no voice.

I appreciate that on the major issues of health care, the environment, and the economy, you have framed the issues for what they are - a struggle for justice. And, you have almost single-handedly made poverty an issue in this election.

You know as well as anyone that the 37 million people living in poverty have no voice in our system. They don’t have lobbyists in Washington and they don’t get to go to lunch with members of Congress. Speaking up for them is not politically convenient. But, it is the right thing to do.

I am disturbed by how little attention the topic of economic justice has received during this campaign. I want to challenge all candidates to follow your lead, and speak up loudly and forcefully on the issue of economic justice in America.

From our conversation yesterday, I know this is personal for you. I know you know what it means to come from nothing. I know you know what it means to get the opportunities you need to build a better life. And, I know you know that injustice is alive and well in America, because millions of people will never get the same opportunities you had.

I believe that now, more than ever, we need a leader who wakes up every morning with the knowledge of that injustice in the forefront of their minds, and who knows that when we commit ourselves to a cause as a nation, we can make major strides in our own lifetimes. My father was not driven by an illusory vision of a perfect society. He was driven by the certain knowledge that when people of good faith and strong principles commit to making things better, we can change hearts, we can change minds, and we can change lives.

So, I urge you: keep going. Ignore the pundits, who think this is a horserace, not a fight for justice. My dad was a fighter. As a friend and a believer in my father’s words that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, I say to you: keep going. Keep fighting. My father would be proud.

Sincerely,





Martin L. King, III

A great recommendation for John on this day

...or better yet, the other way around, but I'm not holding my breath.

I agree with your sentiments!

I kind of wish he hadn't turned them down, just cause the two bickering candidates complained.

and said something about it being a positive meeting, but he sure didn't crow about this!

John is truly a class act - as demonstrated by the above, and by his professionalism last night amidst the squabbling.

Anyone watching that "debate" with no prior knowledge of who the heck the three were, no preconceived notions, and unaware of how they polled would have had no doubt who was the clear choice.

I just have to say that the letter that Martin L. King III wrote is inspiring and absolutely right on. I watched the debate in South Carolina last night and in my opinion it was very clear that Edwards is the right choice in November. I really believe that we live in a day and time when issues take precedence over everything and the fact that the other two candidates couldn't stop bickering long enough to address key issues is a shame. The public need to know where the candidates stand and as far as I am concerned Edwards is the only one of the three that seemed to consider that more important than promoting their selves. Actually it seems that the main stream media are only acknowledging two democratic candidates, last night opened a lot of peoples eyes to the truth that there are more that the two front running candidates.

(edited for spulling)

We are glad to have you with us :hi:

The man is presidential.

GOD BLESS HIM AND ELIZABETH TOO!

The sooner he gives up the better.

interested in hearing that...

I'd really like to see a Clinton/Obama ticket. It would be unbeatable.

They're salivating at the very thought of it.

So you think a Clinton-Obama ticket would be unbeatable...ok. That's another discussion, maybe, I'm not at all sure I agree with you......BUT:

What's your problem with Edwards? To the point where you can't wait to see him drop out? I mean, I really don't get that. Reasons, please?

they should resign in shame for juvinile behavior

If people will wake the hell up and give him the chance. :shrug:

way that the neo cons will have another clinton administration again, we need some new blood in the WH.

Hillary and Barack were just plain childish. I would hope Hillary and Barack would give it up.

how can you let your corp supporters down? Hill and Barry can't do that. Now Edwards has about 30 mil.? See, it makes all the difference in the world a few million dollars. It can make you loveed. What is wrong with this picture? Even the repubs are not getting that kind of donations. Must be that America loves Hill and Barry!

Sarcasm over for now

I think these candidates could talk till they're blue in the face, but it won't mean a thing if voters don't take the time to critically LISTEN to them. That's what I'm really worried about.

Americans have loved substance-less campaigns ever since at least the days of "Tippecanoe and Tyler, too" and "Keep the ball rolling"* What did ol' Tippecanoe plan to do once in office? Who cares?! He was giving away bottles of free booze!

(Sung to the tune of Auld Lang Syne)

Should good old cider be despised,
And ne'er regarded more?
Should plain log cabins be despised
Our fathers built of yore?
For the true old style, my boys!
For the true old style,
Let's take a mug of cider now
For the true old style.

We've tried experiments enough
Of fashions new and vain,
And now we long to settle down
To good old times again..
For the good old ways, my boys!
For the good old ways,
Let's take a mug of cider now
For the good old ways.

We've tried "the greatest and the best,"
And found him bad enough;
And he who "in the footsteps treads"
Is yet more sorry stuff.
For the brave Old Thames, my boys!
For the brave Old Thames,
We'll take a mug of cider yet
For the brave Old Thames.

Then give's a hand, my boys!
And here's a hand for you,
And we'll quaff the good old cider yet
For Old Tippecanoe.
For Old Tippecanoe, my boys!
For Old Tippecanoe,
We'll take a mug of cider yet
For Old Tippecanoe.

And surely you'll give your good vote,
And surely I will too;
And we'll clear the way to the 'White House' yet
For Old Tippecanoe.
For Tip-pe-canoe, my boys!
For Tip-pe-canoe,
We'll take a mug of cider yet
For Tip-pe-canoe.



*Campaign of 1840

That would have been really historic, I guess.

to get elected by conducting a completely substance-less campaign. If that were the case, then he succeeded.

"Come git 'cher free hard cider, right chere! An' don't fergit ta vote fer ol' Tippecanoe! An' Tyler, too!"

particularly those drunk on power.

I think the big thing so far has been the "first" woman, and the "first" black man. This has been the pivot point the media has used to drive the race. Edwards has had to fight like hell to be heard, but when they hear him, the people love him. He has a real message, and I think that should be what really counts, the message!

I am pretty sure * is the first coke-head pResident

:eyes:

about that, but they're too moronoic to notice, probably.

Really, I kind of feel that this is a pretty serious time in our history, and it would be great to try to elect the best PERSON we could, and then celebrate later if that person turned out to have some special 'first' characteristic. I really find all the 'historic' talk insulting and demeaning. Doubt the M$M gives a crap what I think, though.

but he leads the pack, far and away.

Just why was Nixon so paranoid???

because this is a race that history will be made. Edwards has won almost every debate and yet people say they won't vote for him. It is truly amazing how ignorant people are. Every day that passes I get more dissappointed about our country. Its embarassing.

... get the government they deserve. The country will pay for its inattention, as it has for almost 8 years already.

people do not wake up, and realize what the hell is going on in this country. Ignorance will be mankinds downfall.

That's the problem. Americans are too lazy to make an effort or are only interested in the superficial aspects of the candidates.

That's an amazing combination. Go, John, Go.

I couldn't believe all of the air time CNN gave these two blowhards to do their petty bickering. Mr. Barak "I'm going to bring the country together" Obama is not that good at negotiating and getting along. He was on the defensive all evening. I couldn't believe it when Hillary accused Barak of continuing to fund the war when SHE does the same thing!

Edwards is our only hope at winning the General Election.If Hillary gets nominated, the media will bring out a new Bill Clinton scandal. If Barak gets nominated, there will be the racial tension issue. Edwards can win in urban and rural areas. Republicans won't vote for Hillary or Obama. THIS COUNTRY NEEDS EDWARDS TO MOVE FORWARD AND REGAIN ITS DEMOCRACY!!

I feel like you do. As much as I would love a minority President I still feel that Edwards has a better message, delivery and personality. And like you said is more "electable".

Winning against the Repiggies is a must this time around.

It doesn't matter who Republicans will vote for, they'll vote for a Republican. We only need Independant and perhaps enlighten some neocon voters.

It has long been my view that no Republican can win after W. But now I feel that Obama or Edwards could win pretty easily against any candidate they come up with, but Hillary is so divisive that she has haters not only among Republicans, but also Independants and even some Democrats. IMO, she can still win though, but only if she's running against someone also disliked by the Independants and neocons and even some Republicans (Huckabee** comes to mind) that there ends up being a really low turnout.

**There are lots of others that fit this description, but let's face it...Huckabee is our dream come true opposition candidate in that there is no way he can win a general election against any of our 3 big dogs.

It really felt like Edwards could have turned to the other two and said, "I'll turn this car around right now if I have to..."!

Edwards did a great job. Unfortunately, the MSM is focusing on the kids.

of the debate validated by Ari Melber. I'll admit my hopes were dwindling, much less so after tonight.

he gets his message across when he is able to speak--which is difficult to do given the fact that Obama/Hillary are constantly back and forth and really not saying a whole lot about issues, despite all the air time they get.

Edwards has a difficult time simply because of race and gender being exactly what this race is about. They say they don't want to play the race or gender card, but that's exactly what they use, and to our own detriment. It's like people finally have the chance for either a black man or a woman and they are going for it, despite the fact the best candidate is neither.

I'm with Edwards all the way, and if the woman or the black man have any common sense they will try to court Edwards and have him join their team before the other wises up and does it first. It's the only way either "frontrunner" is getting my support. It's Edwards for me simply because EVERYTHING is at stake, the war, the economy, the middle class, EVERYTHING!

when you are excellent you excel!

Tag-teaming with Hillary to nail Obama on the "voting present" nonsense was excellent.

I really thought twice about watching the debate. They are such snarky, vacuous robots. This "gotcha" mindset with the endless wording in the questions is beyond disgusting, and often the second and third candidates don't get to answer the original question.

Hillary was outrageous and she and Barak both got a little too personal for my taste. Edwards did just fine staying above the fray.

John knows the issues so well and has very good agenda policies to set forth. I was happy that people were able to see such a well prepared, well spoken, intelligent, funny and earnest candidate. John is a decent man. Go John! :dem:

...and very clear now ( - which is - after all - what matters) on Iraq.

Edwards spoke eloquently, succintly, and diplomatically. He is the real deal. Authentic.

John is the best candidate and hopefully people will wake up to see that.:hi:

I'm glad I had a chance to watch the debate tonight.

I simply won't vote. I CAN NOT - in all good consciousness - put another twist-tongued corporate shill in the oval office! Those with shallow goals can, but I won't have a hand in it. SCREW the party - it'll SCREW me. One bad turn deserves another. :grr:

I can't begin to remember all the time I spent trying to persuade people to vote for Al Gore in 2000 and how Nader was spoiling our chances of keeping Bush out. There was such a feeling of Nader possibly being right on some issues, but how we had to vote Democrat and there was a groundswell of agreement.

2000 was ehn my resentment of the DLC started and I ddn't know exactly what my resentment was all about.

Seven years later and I still can't explain it, but now I despise them. I feel they take over every primary for their own corporate cooperative and don't give a damn what we say.

And look what we have - a corporation leaning war hawk (who I used to love because I didn't know she was a war hawk) and another candidate who is a great orator, but who I just don't 'know' and who spars in prime time when the country is falling apart.

Yes, I'm for Edwards and Kucinich at this point in time. They speak for me.

A billion dollars a day to kill and destroy and the entire world is falling down around our little Cheney-baron episodes into world domination. Some domination - a crippled nation by banking standards. Or maybe it's not, maybe it's just a trick like thousands of their other tricks.

Do I like being a fool? We have to measure and dole out our trust and pray. And all we know is that the gut says - don't trust the candidate or the DLC. Don't know if trust will come. Don't know if trust will last. Don't know how to get a voice for the one you trust.

We are in a much worse situation than in 2000 or even 2004 because we know too much now. And I know what I should do/who I shouldn't support. I feel like an outsider and I feel like a damn is breaking loose and I don't know where to stand.

The anti-Christ is the corporate media. It doesn't have to be a person. ( I hope there is just one parent out there who resents helping their child get through journalism school.)

Please watch this video by an EX CIA agent www.brasschecktv.com/page261html

no way will I relinquish my right to vote. I'll write in John Edward's name on the ballot and then probably drive to the court house and change my party affiliation to unaffiliated. I am disgusted by the performance of Obama and HRC during this whole process. No way do they represent me or my concerns.

Although I will write in my candidate rather than not vote at all.

Which is why Bloomberg is playing coy right now, waiting to see if JE drops out. If not, the M/Icomplex-WallSt 'ers will still have a chance at winning in Nov.

If JE bolts, then progressives have a chance at gaining the White House with just a plurality of votes ! Just like in '92, this is the GOP's strategery, to get Obama/Clinton vs. a weak GOP candidate or Bloomberg; corporatists all basically. That way they run the table, with just different shades of from bad to worse.

Hillary hit Obama with the Lobbyist issue and Obama whimpered and changed the subject to National Security when tried to use the ol' "inspiring rhetoric" ploy which sounded really empty

Obama has done little to nothing to change much of anything. Have a look and the number of "Present" votes in Il and in 2007 he has missed over half of the vote in the Senate (52%+) Sorry if the vusiness of Illinois and the Nation are gettting in the way of his Ambitions

from a blog on The Nation titled "Clinton, Obama come to blows; Edwards wins" ---

But the former senator from North Carolina had to fight for it. More than half an hour into the debate in South Carolina, where voters will participate in a high-stakes Democratic primary on Saturday, CNN moderator Wolf Blitzer had presided over what was essential a showcase for Clinton and Obama.

"There are three people in this debate, not two," interjected Edwards. The 2004 Democratic nominee then delivered what may have been the most effective soliloquy of the night. Referencing the bitter back-and-forth between his two opponents, Edwards asked, "This kind of squabbling -- how many children is this going to get health care? How many people are going to get education because of this? How many kids are going to get to go to college because of this?"

"I respect both of my fellow candidates," he continued, "but we have got to understand this is not about us personally."

Of course, Blitzer interrupted. But Edwards held his ground. "Let me finish here," he said. "Lord knows, you let them go on forever."

The crowd cheered as loudly as it had for anything said by Obama or Clinton.

Lord knows, indeed. :rofl: it is clear that edwards is going to improve over time and that the other two on stage will pummel each other for the duration. if you don't support edwards, man, you are in for a bloody internecine battle. i am picking the best candidate for my own sanity, and here he is representing sanity and mutual dialogue against the two in the lead. there is SO MUCH TIME before the primaries are completed, and things are looking good for the Edwards candidacy - and all of the things we have been saying, that even if he loses he keeps the debate in the correct progressive frame, keeps the other two honest as it were - he is EXCELLING in that regard, EVEN IF THE RACE DOESN'T OPEN UP LIKE IT REALLY AND TRULY OUGHT TO. so i don't care what the voters say anymore - I am satisfied with my candidate and his performance as a candidate. Fantastic job tonight John.

JOHN EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT !!!

He provided a much-needed laugh while simultaneously a) pointing out that he wasn't getting his fair share of debate time and b) taking control. The dude is a very skillful debater. What's truly impressive, though, is his consistent focus on the substantive issues of the campaign. I like a candidate who takes this opportunity seriously and articulates the mission and his strategy rather than prevaricating and trying to be all things to all voters.

thing is that those of who actually see THIS MAN as REAL and has a HEART that beats for this country, is being "snubbed" and how ANYONE can't see it is beyond comprehension!

And FWIW... What will get elected, or selected... WE also will have to live with it! ,

and realize that we have more than 2 choices this election cycle. i so thought it was time for everyone to stop blindly following the medias lead.

Thanks for posting this. K&R!

There are only two people running for the Democratic nomination. My TV told me so! </sarcasm>

Of course he won! He's the only one who doesn't have blood money pouring out of his mouth.

:yourock:

.............John Edwards received a very positive letter from M. L. King III this evening at about 9 P.M.

January 20, 2008

The Honorable John E. Edwards
410 Market Street
Suite 400
Chapel Hill, NC 27516


Dear Senator Edwards:

It was good meeting with you yesterday and discussing my father’s legacy. On the day when the nation will honor my father, I wanted to follow up with a personal note.

There has been, and will continue to be, a lot of back and forth in the political arena over my father’s legacy. It is a commentary on the breadth and depth of his impact that so many people want to claim his legacy. I am concerned that we do not blur the lines and obscure the truth about what he stood for: speaking up for justice for those who have no voice.

I appreciate that on the major issues of health care, the environment, and the economy, you have framed the issues for what they are - a struggle for justice. And, you have almost single-handedly made poverty an issue in this election.

You know as well as anyone that the 37 million people living in poverty have no voice in our system. They don’t have lobbyists in Washington and they don’t get to go to lunch with members of Congress. Speaking up for them is not politically convenient. But, it is the right thing to do.

I am disturbed by how little attention the topic of economic justice has received during this campaign. I want to challenge all candidates to follow your lead, and speak up loudly and forcefully on the issue of economic justice in America.

From our conversation yesterday, I know this is personal for you. I know you know what it means to come from nothing. I know you know what it means to get the opportunities you need to build a better life. And, I know you know that injustice is alive and well in America, because millions of people will never get the same opportunities you had.

I believe that now, more than ever, we need a leader who wakes up every morning with the knowledge of that injustice in the forefront of their minds, and who knows that when we commit ourselves to a cause as a nation, we can make major strides in our own lifetimes. My father was not driven by an illusory vision of a perfect society. He was driven by the certain knowledge that when people of good faith and strong principles commit to making things better, we can change hearts, we can change minds, and we can change lives.

So, I urge you: keep going. Ignore the pundits, who think this is a horserace, not a fight for justice. My dad was a fighter. As a friend and a believer in my father’s words that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, I say to you: keep going. Keep fighting. My father would be proud.

Sincerely,





Martin L. King, III


GO John Edwards we love you. You are honesty and a new spirit for AMERICA !!!


EDWARDS 08

I had heard about this but I had read the letter. I had tears well up in my eyes reading it. I hope John Edwards uses it in South Carolina and beyond. It's the most heartfelt endorsement to date of any of the candidates.

And that's what everyone else seems to want to forget.

He's definitely my favorite.

He was truly stellar...

I will say however the winner of the debate is - US! The American people....all three candidates are great....I'm really impressed by all of them, even though I will say that my first choice and whom I thought stood out was Edwards, I think Obama and Hillary were great too.

:applause:

:kick:

:kick:

I only watched the first two hours of the debate, and it became obvious that there were no 'new' questions, only more "marshmallow" questions, which would keep the squabble personal. Can anyone say the last hour was better? But I think JE did make the most of his time, and came off as being genuine.

k/r

...which breaks my heart because I really think he's the guy, the one guy of these three, who could get things done.

have weighed in so far! It´s NOT too late.

...I would. I've donated to his campaign, and argued on his behalf to anyone who would listen for
5 seconds. For some reason, John's message just hasn't caught on, and I don't know why. I'm always optimistic,
but I'm preparing for the eventuality.

been on the Edwards bandwagon since Feingold withdrew. Last time around, I could never really settle on one candidate enough to feel emotionally invested in their success (though I will say that Howard Dean had a great deal of influence on me as far as the war went).

I really wish things had turned out better, and I hope they still do.

:shrug:

what is his f**king deal? His word would carry a lot of weight.

I repeat: what is his f**king deal?

I'm so angry at the constant media attention on the other two. They want a horse race between Barack and Hillary. Edwards is just an also ran to them. He is clearly the best candidate for us. He is the most progressive and he is the best able to win the general election.

I'm amazed at the inability of many progressives to see this. They are caught up in the Hillary/Obama media-driven horse race and simply chuckle at John Edwards. It makes me depressed.

Here's to John Edwards. I wish he would be our next president, but at best he can get enough delegates to force a brokered convention. Perhaps he can be a vice presidential candidate. Such a shame.

Donate directly to his site, so he gets matching funds.

His campaign is an investment in the future of this country.

MKJ

Even a few dollars. Every dollar counts and counts double up to 250 dollars. 5 will get you ten.

the other two were about to go to fist-o-cuffs! We need someone level-headed in the Oval Office.

and Edwards ain't one of 'em. :shrug:

Julie

Obama and Hillary. Edwards is the right choice and those of us who are for him should support him regardless of what the media is spinning. And it is not too late for Edwards. People need to wake up to realize we are not playing here, the country is in a deep deep crisis and we need someone like John to get us out of woods.

I'll leave it up to the reader to determine for themselves what those reasons might be.

:hi:

Go Johnny! Go!!!
He actually did seem like the only adult in the debate last night...
He certainly was the only one to touch on substantiative issues.

will jre make it...? it's so frustrating that people don't seem to be listening...

that said, i'm so tired of the "people get the governement they deserve" meme (read higher in the thread).

for one thing, this government does not only serve the people of the united states, but it has a PROFOUND effect on the rest of the world. who "we" "elect" (i'm getting more and more skeptical) is of international concern- it could mean life or death for millions!

secondly, can you really blame them? yes, many americans are either braindead or brainwashed. most of them don't even participate in elections. but with all the propaganda, it makes it difficult to discern as far as who or what to believe, to the point of severe frustration, and then giving up. the rest are susceptible to brainwashing because of the poor education provided in this grand country, or perhaps because of all the paint chips they ate as children, or maybe because of teh mercury in drinking water and food supply. }(

as far as those who seem to utilize critical thinking skills with their "anti-war and anti-corruption" mantra, and yet they are voting for corporatist war-pigs and largely basing their votes on gender and/or race (in many cases- NOT targeting any clinton or obama supporters here, just a few that i happen to know personally). they are so busy working their arses off at their second and third jobs trying to make rent, gas, grocery, and utility that their concern is voting for the seeming "anti-bush," so they pick the democrat they hear most about, because they don't have the time nor the means to research the hairline candidates who would truly clean up the mess. that's not really their fault, necessarily.

there was a most excellent post here a few days ago in regards to mister obama's praising of herr reagan and the damage his administration did to the progressive movement and the emergence of the demonization of political correctness. just one example of the power of propaganda.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2715254
edited to post link

But, in a real world, "intellectual laziness" is a cop out of sorts. Is it hard to concentrate on matters of the mind when the body is tired and the spirit is numbed by a diet of pablum. We are a fast info nation, with apoligies to Spurlock, and are not trained from youth to dig into fact, rather are presented a (to paraphrase Hobsbawm) "vulgar Marxist", i.e., simplistic dyad for choice.

We collectively know not how to deal with complexity. The unknown is simply cast aside as a choice, as there is no T or F box to tic.

NoFederales

this disgusting administration is hoping that we gravitate towards either Obama or Hillary cause the repigs know neither will win, and totally avoiding Edwards cause he is electable. People are saying they won't vote for Hillary so is that leaving the door open for a President McCain or President Huckabee (:puke: )

We don't need a repig president again.

but the majority of the American people are going to pick who the MSM wants.

using their own minds or making up their own minds and having the MSM make up their minds. Sickening and sad. Again Americans those who are in denial voting against their best interests.

another Republican administration. Support JRE: http://johnedwards.com/

As he always does.

The others were wiping dust off their lapels.

Psssst! America, listen up! Don't let the media pick you a mediocre candidate allowed by the elite.

The pro-war, conservative DLC hawk?

The anti-war, progressive populist he suddenly switched to?

Or the keep-the-Bush-tax-cuts, the-surge-is-working centrist we'll be seeing a in few months as soon as the poll numbers change?

That guy has more costume changes than "Greater Tuna."

That's right. We want someone who will stand their ground no matter what! Like W. (Wait, isn't trial law inherently populist?)

Oh well -- and that's right -- he's gonna change again, you watch, cause that's what is says right here in his horoscope today.

The Pro-War conservative DLC hawk - Hillery

The anti-war progressive populist - JRE at least he sees the writing on the wall

Third point is pure supposition, so no need to respond to this piece of chum bait.

Oh yeah, even has a fish reference to complete the metaphor.

I say "No" to the MSM corp candidates and when it comes to election day, I am voting for JRE because he didn't start as as a rich boy. There's only one other candidate that understands what's happening to the majority (DK) and he's been OPENLY kicked out because he's been right on every single issue. Edwards is only allowed on stage because MSM has to have some show of tacit democracy. Forget there are still 5 republicans still being followed by the MSM.

You have 1 State Giuliani, Preacher Huckabee, Rich Boy Romney, script-less Thompson, Corp embarrassment Ron Paul and bomb-'em-all McCain. Ron Paul, being a libertarian running as a republican, is the only one getting the same treatment as the rest of the democratic candidates. One of the democratic contenders the MSM is so good at quashing it was reported he'd dropped out when that was not true.

I've seen people decry the MSM, then we have to be the media. It's time to stand in front of the line of tanks hold our hand up and stop the steamrolling of democracy. The first thing we have to eliminate is the "Free Speech Zone." Every single square inch of this country is a free speech zone. Until we gain back the ability to stand in front of the MSM and hold signs telling the truth, then there is little difference between us and China. The only difference is those in charge here clamped down BEFORE people were allowed to speak out about all the lies, the corruption, the stolen elections.

MSM is now selecting those running by non-exposure of those speaking against the MSM message. Doesn't matter what side you're on, just ask Ron Paul. Corporations are running the show and we allow it. The economy is faltering and the corporations want more of the same. Look at who isn't being covered and ask why, look at who is being covered and follow the money. Big money is getting the press and that's what is happening, period. It's time for a change.

Help me out here. I'm looking at negatives of the candidates. You just listed some of your own regarding Edwards (not saying I agree with you). But when I add up negatives on these three I keep coming up with Edwards having the least negatives, which makes him my best choice so far.

So what have you got? Who do you want to win? I'm willing to discuss it.

an dramatic turnaround for Edwards. He shone and even surprised some of his avid supporters like myself. Now I know how he won all his torte cases. He was spellbinding. A passionate letter of endorsement from MLK, jr. icing on the cake. GO, EDWARDS GO!!

made a point to show how Obama isnt for Universal Health Care and how Obama had over a 100 " Present " votes.




Great job last night Edwards!

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Obama and Hillary let loose on each other while JRE kept bringing the issues forward. He is outstanding. Now if somehow we could get the rest of America to pay attention to JRE. After the debate the undeciders were interviewed. The thought John Edwards won, but half would not be voting for him because they don't think he will make it to GE. I don't get it!
I did see another side of Obama the great orator last night, his skills dwindle under pressure. It was interesting.

anyone talking about HIS performance last night from MSM?? I try not to watch MSM much, but did want to see IF he got coverage. I heard about the Clinton/Obama slug fest over and over... NOTHING about Edwards.

Could have missed something... but I myself heard NOTHING!! AGAIN??

Anyone??? If not, says VOLUMES, AGAIN!!!

Probably --- I'll see if I can find it in general ---

and, then, if there's really a part you want to see, you can watch just that part of it---

I love reading everyone's comments --- !!!

In order to make it to the general as the Democratic candidate Edwards would have to pull off on eof the biggest upsets in the history of American politics.

I don't see it coming to that.

It's going to take a monumental upset for it to happen. The MSM has already decided whose relevant or not. Richardson was the most qualified candidate and he didn't get a whiff of airtime.

stayed out of it, John Edwards would be our best in a very long time. But it now seems, that America is ACTUALLY going to do the UNTHINKABLE!!!

Kind of "back to a Monarchy" like Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush and Oh My... another Clinton!

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If they did you gotta know some were impressed. Was he trying to appeal to his people? He won last time so there could be a chance. That would truly set a different tone in this election. What would the media say? Very little I'm sure. Stuff like it was a fluke but he will lose the rest of the states. That I have heard for over a week now.

All we can do is all we can do... I've been e-mailing MLK III's endorsement around today. :)

Corporate money is riding on Hillary and Obama --- and they don't want to be disappointed either before or AFTER the election --- !!!

I am sold on John Edwards after last night. He is the most electable and presidential of all the candidates and he stands for the people. I wasn't a big Hillary fan to begin with, but I really wanted to see Bill back up there. But, I can see now that Edwards is hands down the best candidate.

Go JOHN EDWARDS!

is stacked against him, but we FIGHT ON!!

Thank you! :hi:

but I must admit he did an excellent job last night.

sort of. ;)

:hi:

Oh well, can't blame me for trying again. :toast:

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sometimes I long for the time video was in GD and routinely would get 30 recs...

... but I thought his direct questioning Obama on the "133 present votes" seemed petty (and too similar to Clinton's obfuscation of the mechanics of politics).

I did like his calling Obama to task about cherrypicking votes to criticize.

But Obama's criticising the Iraq "use of force" resolution votes of Clinton and Edwards, and Clinton's Kyl/Lieberman Iran vote, is decidedly different than criticizing 130 out of 4000 votes Obama cast while in the Illinois Senate.

And I say this as someone who prefers Edwards over Obama.

but then we get into the tit-for-tat business... I'm glad Edwards chose only to make a point about cherrypicking votes to criticize... rather than turning around and doing it again about whatever vote/issue.

but I saw on MSM was the fighting between Clinton and Obama.

Go John, Go!!:kick: :patriot: