Obama trusts women to make prayerful decisions on a deeply moral issue such as abortion...

"One of the things that I've always said is that abortion is a deeply moral issue. And those who would deny that there is a moral component to it I think are wrong. The reason that I make a decision to support the choice position is not because I don't think it's a moral issue but because I trust women to make a prayerful decision about this issue."

Obama

Too bad Clinton doesn't trust poor people when it comes to declaring bankruptcy.

that is the male component to the conception.

The parents make the decision!!!!!

What's going to be the Hillary & Bill sideshow spin on THIS Obama sentence?

After watching the Clintons transform Obama's statement,

"Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of American politics"
into

"Obama supports Reagan's policies"....I'm guessing the spin over this next remark will be dizzying.

Let's go ahead and put Barack's one sentence into the "Magical Thinking Turbo T-9000 Clinton
Attack Machine" and see what comes out.

Here it is...

"Today, Barack Obama suggested that all pregnant are immoral if they have
abortions. We are saddened and dismayed that Senator Obama hates women and hates
babies. Hillary and I have worked hard to ensure that all babies thrive in America. Apparently
Barack Obama doesn't feel the same way, and this is truly a sad day for all women
and all of the innocent babies in our country".

Remember, she's got some black evangelicals in her stable as well. I don't understand why the mere mention of any & all things religious is met with such hostility by people at DU. The vast majority of black people (of which I am one) are a very religious and god fearing people. That being said, we are also reliably Democratic.

...have commandeered many Democrats' views of religion.

Many people are simply turned off. A Democrat can't even mention
prayer, religion or their faith without Democrats thinking that
the candidate is being manipulative.

The Republicans have used religion as a political device, for so long--
Democrats are naturally suspect.

It's really too bad.

hopefully we're all adult enough to understand that there are people of faith on the left as well. The Right doesn't have a monopoly on faith. Granted, they have used it very effectively, which is why Bush got something like 12% of the black vote in '04. The left is going to have to come to grips with the fact that there are very religious people, with deeply held spiritual beliefs, who are not the enemy.

"I think that's a healthy thing, that we're not putting people in boxes, that everybody is out there trying to figure out how do we live right and how do we create a stronger America," Obama said.

... "We're going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

Who is going to be King? Jesus or Obama?

He's wearing a gold, ruby-encrusted crown, carrying a scepter and his wife is trailing
behind him--holding onto his red, fur-lined cape.

Clearly, the answer is Obama.

:rofl:

:rofl:

ObSus? J'Bamus?

This Christian is SICK TO DEATH of FUNDIES! Aaaaahhhhhhrrrrrgggghhhh.

er.....

sorry, but that was my first reaction!

Thanks!

I understand how it would be a foreign concept to the supporters of the Polarization Express.

I get so tired of this male holier than thou crap.

He is injecting religion into it, and pandering to tHe zealots that HE feels it is an issue of morality and religious belief rather than an issue of women's rights, or our right to privacy.

Pandering to the Religious Right by saying women should pray and come to a 'moral' decision, is an underhanded way of saying he personally feels like they do, that it is a question to put before God, and if a woman does so, she will do the 'right' thing...which for those people is to NOT have an abortion.

We don't need to be told to pray, or what makes us 'moral' or 'immoral' women in his or anybody else's eyes. He makes it an issue of women's MORALITY rather than our right to PRIVACY.

It is the sort of statement the RR uses to shame women who consider abortion.

It's INSULTING.

his broad-based support, they are buying.

(What makes you think a candidate would pander to the RR by highlighting their pro-choice voting record?)

bringing up your impeccably, 100% pro-choice record?

to make their own decisions. That's selling your platform to a hostile audience, not pandering. Pandering would be if he did the Clinton-style "well, we can all agree on the need to reduce abortions" two-step. He was unabashedly pro-choice there.

Can't win on an invalid point.

There was nothing added to it as far as I can tell. Does his position bother you?

Good for him.

:kick: and rec.

as a negative.

They'll take her word over his, and say something was wrong with the way he said it - or how was standing, or what color his shirt was. Complete insanity.

That's how we ensure you keep those rights--by making opponents of those rights understand why they ought support them.

Lovely. If that isn't what he means then someone should tell me what he means when says he thinks it's a MORAL issue.

Obama's statements say much more about him, then they do about any other foe of choice. His treatment of this issue and coziness with so many fundies sets off all my radar. I want none of it. As one who once counted myself as a supporter, I'm seriously disappointed in him.

A completely pro-choice candidate spreading pro-choice viewpoints to a conservative audience by speaking to them in their language? That's how you transform the playing field.

I think they would agree. However open minds are hard to come by on this board lately...

Has it been a whole week already? My how the time flies.

who know what's best for them. Shades of Joementum.

How she reaches that decision is her business. Not yours and not anyone else's.

It is our right to PRIVACY, it's about EQUAL RIGHTS for women, and that's what he should say.

We DON'T need anyone framing the issue like this. We don't need anyone telling women how to be MORAL, that we must PRAY to make the 'right' decision. That is all code language for the RR that abortion is immoral.

It is insulting.

If I want a bible thumper I'll vote for Jesse Jackson or Huckabee...I don't want some anti~gay bigot like Obama who has no problem with smoking pot and snorting coke but feels he has a right to judge others.

:kick: and recommend

Lovely. If that isn't what he means then someone should tell me what he means when says he thinks it's a MORAL issue.

I guess he can send his "ex-gay" preacher squad over to help women repent on their way out of the clinic.

And because of that, he believes that nobody--including the government--has the right to tell women whether their decisions are right or wrong.

He said it's a "prayerful" decision. He said those those who say it isn't a moral issue are wrong. He doesn't get to decide whether it's a moral decision for me or not, that's holy-roller fundie talk and it's indefensible.

you do not see it for what it is.

society and a sexist church. Obama's statement is pro-choice. It affirms women's moral agency that cannot and should not be decided by any sexist part of society. It is important to see women as having such moral agency. Not to do so is to cede moral authority back to the patriarchy.

to state it in those terms. He's supposed to be this great orator, right?

He was clearly excusing his position on choice by saying that he believes it to be immoral but he trusts women to be prayerful. In other words, we just have to let those immoral pregnant women go ahead and sin, it's their right. Maybe when he leaves the senate in 2010 he can start a church and help all us poor un-prayerful women repent.

We've had a full 7 years of fundamentalist bull-crap, that's enough for me, thanks.

" Now with all of this talk about freedom as the defining goal of America, let's not forget the importance of the freedom of women to make the choices that are consistent with their faith and their sense of responsibility to their family and themselves."

Is this a problem for you as well? :shrug:

but at least she isn't suggesting which faithful action I should be taking before making my decisions.

voting 100% NARAL and 100% Planned Parenthood?

ears. You can't reason with insanity. Just look at Bill these days, he's a raving lunatic.

reproductive CHOICE is about RIGHTS, period.

despite being a Christian.

I know he was speaking to a specific audience, but I still don't like the implications.

"Prayerfully" is a pander-word meaning "thoughtfully" to the 700 Club.

in hopes of converting a few of them.

It's code language for "Hey folks, I think it's immoral too, I think it's a religious issue too, should be God's will, but hey, that's the law, and we just have to encourage women to pray and trust that they'll make the 'right' decision, the moral decision.

Because to them abortion is immoral.

It's all self serving BS what he's saying.

This is what happens when people let hate for a candidate overwhelm their brains. They can't even think about what they're saying any more.

You're just careening off the cliff now.

starting with a lobotomy?

I'll remember that if I get raped.

were trying to pander to the RR, defending a pro-choice position is not the way.

:rofl:

"because I trust women to make a prayerful decision about this issue." Excuse me if I find that sanctimonious - there are many woman who either A. are atheists, B. Do not chose to mix religion into this decision or C. Do not need a MAN to tell them how to deal with a deeply personal woman's issue. There are many instances on how a decision is reached, economic reasons, pregnancy due to violence, health and so on. Don't tell me to pray on it.

Definition of sanctimonious

Main Entry: sanc·ti·mo·nious
Pronunciation: \ˌsaŋ(k)-tə-ˈmō-nē-əs, -nyəs\
Function: adjective
Date: 1603
1: hypocritically pious or devout <a sanctimonious moralist> <the king's sanctimonious rebuke — G. B. Shaw>

what to do, in language they can understand.

and persuaded the public to overturn the abortion ban they had approved just two years before. People will listen if you talk to them.

"Roe v. Wade was an important step on the road to full equality, opportunity and dignity for women. On the 35th anniversary, it is important to reflect how far we've come as a nation, but more importantly how far we still have to go.

"I strongly support a woman's right to privacy and reproductive choices. That right has been under attack though -- by President Bush and his anti-choice agenda and by the Supreme Court, which has been moving the right-wing's agenda faster than we've seen in decades. The hard right turn of the Supreme Court is a stark reminder of why Democrats cannot afford to lose the 2008 election. Too much is at stake - starting with a woman's right to choose.

"As President, I will guarantee the right to choose and ensure that women can make choices in their lives with dignity and can participate in our society fully, as equals."

http://www.johnedwards.com/news/press-releases/20080122-roe-v-wade/

And the 700 Club? Since when has pandering to Evangelicals gotten us anywhere? Oh yeah, Alito and Roberts, Scalia, and Thomas. That's dangerous ground he's playing on, and you are deluding yourself that any woman involved with the 700 club is going to take advisement to make this decision prayerfully - because it isn't going to happen. He is pandering, pure and simple.

wtf?

I am so SICK of having to hear about when people should be praying during political debates and discussions. It's way out of line, imho.

NARAL and Planned Parenthood give Obama 100% ratings. What a bunch of stupid chicks...

:sarcasm:

You folks can't have it BOTH WAYS. :shrug:

so that, especially young, women didn't have to find themselves in that position of being pregnant in the first place.

She spoke about wanting to reduce the number of abortions in that framework, which has always been a feminist position.