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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:22 PM
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WOW!! Debate Pic from the front page of the Charlotte Observer
:applause:



Defining moment of the debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-OuoLlds9o

Credit to JedReport at Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/22/42658/0495/422/440958
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:23 PM
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1. Says it all. Thank you. nt
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:25 PM
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4. It really does, doesn't it?
I'm sick of The Barack and Hillary Show 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I want CHANGE. I want LEADERSHIP. I want HONESTY.'

Edwards is the clear choice. Go John! :thumbsup:
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:24 PM
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2. yep, says it all
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:24 PM
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3. were jobs shifting overseas during the 1980s?
I thought outsourcing was more of a post-2000 thing. :shrug:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:37 PM
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11. "Shifting" not "shooting through a pneumatic tube"
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 03:37 PM by Yael
The 1990s deregulations and NAFTA were all the catalysts to start offshoring our jobs -- when the "shift" was made and our mfg jobs started leaving in droves.

IT followed in the 2000s.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:44 PM
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17. Just a few companies, including that newbie Nike
A few textile people like Levi.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:08 PM
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24. Nope.
http://www.emayzine.com/lectures/1980s.htm

The Reagan years between 1980 and 1988 ... also led to firing of 10 million high paying manufacturing jobs as corporations received tax incentives to move their operations overseas.

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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:19 PM
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27. My job got outsourced in the late 1990s.
And it was not a manufacturing job.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:40 PM
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28. Yes, significant outsourcing began in the decade of greed.
Along with employee layoffs to widen the corporations' profit margin. And, according to Edwards' figures, more than 5 million of our jobs have gone overseas since the boy king has taken (literally, *snark*) office.

(...)Outsourcing was first mainly seen in the early 1980’s during a time of stagflation, or a time where economic growth is slow, unemployment rates and inflation is high. Foreign competition in trade had steady rates compared to the United States market and had a cost advantage over American goods. Car companies, which were suffering greatly during this time, took a radical step and moved about ten factories out of Michigan to Mexico (2,5).

This outraged the United Autoworkers Union (UAW) because American’s who worked in the factories that had been outsourced, were left jobless. UAW negotiated with the car companies to keep the outsourcing of the parts division to overseas countries (2).

The car factories use of outsourcing caught the eyes of other businesses: companies saw profit with the use of outsourcing. Soon after more and more companies began expand their companies in Mexico, on the Mexico-United states border. Many American citizens failed to notice the outsourcing that was beginning to happen on the United States-Canadian border. Outsourcing of filmmaking was a common in the 1990’s, but also to the manufacturing of parts. Canada’s trade with the United States began to increase and benefit, while American parts suppliers began to go bankrupt and lay off their workers (2).

This trend in outsourcing in the United States has been increasing steadily since its debut in the 1980’s, but now is being exposed to the average American. Common jobs, such as calculating worker’s payrolls, can be found in overseas companies, that provide cheaper labor, then it would cost if an American laborer worked for the company in the United States (1). Competition between companies is increasing, and companies that outsource have a great advantage over companies who only work within the United States territory. The cutting of jobs in American businesses is becoming increasingly common, leaving healthy, skilled, and knowledgeable people to suffer as they look for the few available jobs in their area. Companies take advantage of the cheap labor to allow their businesses to expand, which is the main reason that outsourcing continues to grow. (3,4)

http://library.thinkquest.org/06aug/00342/Outsourcing%20Page.html


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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:25 PM
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5. Pretty good!
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Medical Speaking Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:26 PM
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John Edwards
He is the man and should be our next President.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:26 PM
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6. It's easy for Edwards to "rise above the fray" when he isn't being attacked.
Obama has to defend himself.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:27 PM
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7. Your guy is the moderator
I wonder if it will help him win any primaries?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:40 PM
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15. "Your guy is the moderator"
What does that even mean?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:49 PM
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22. He seemed to be the M/C - the person who refereed between the other two
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 03:50 PM by HughMoran
I know this may seem insulting to you as an Edwards supporter, and I'd love to be able to have him be the nominee myself, but Edwards is not going to make it this time. If he had just one main competitor he might have a chance, but it's incredibly unlikely he will survive past SC.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:01 PM
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23. Thanks for taking a dump on my thread. Remind me to return the favor some day
Personally, I think its tacky, but then again, who am I.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:12 PM
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25. I've seen you shit all over Hillary posts
So don't you dare to play the "poor me" card.

If fact, you have been the antagonist on many occasions.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:58 PM
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30. Now, Hugh, I saw Edwards explaining his platform, not acting as an emcee.
Well, actually he was put into the position of referee at times.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:21 PM
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31. He was great
I like his positions on the issues. I'm not insulting him by pointing out that he may end up being perceived as less than a winner after SC. Sad, but likely true. Hillary taking a "pass" on SC may give him life beyond SC - perhaps that's what they were talking about after the debate last night?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:13 PM
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32. Thanks, Hugh. As long as Edwards sticks with it, I think he has a chance.
My thinking is it's just too obvious how the GOP's corporate media has concentrated on only two candidates. That tells me they want a woman & a black freshman senator to get the Democratic nomination. Why? Because the GOP's candidates consist of a cast of oddballs, to say the least, & the playing ground needed to be leveled. Edwards seems to represent what I'm looking for in a president; he's focusing on the topics that interest me.

I don't know whom you're supporting, so I hope I didn't step on your toes.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:21 PM
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33. I'm supporting the Democratic nominee
I tend to hide most attack posts, but will defend the Dem who is being attacked the most (sense of fairness.) I am actually somewhat excited by having a woman and a black man - this may be the best opportunity the Dems have to break the old "white man" mold. Whomever we pick I will support with all of my heart and $$ too :D
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:03 PM
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34. I will definitely vote for the Democratic nominee, but I can't guarantee excitement.
I'd enjoy gambling only if I had money to throw out the window. After 8 years of the Twilight Zone, I want to feel more secure that our candidate has the best chance of winning.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:29 PM
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8. Wow. A pro-Edwards pic on the corporate paper of NC.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:47 PM
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19. Appears he is winning their online poll, too. Link:
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:31 PM
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9. Unfortunately, it doesn't indicate that Obama's remark was directed at Clinton.
At a glance, one might think Clinton and Obama were talking about Edwards
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:40 PM
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14. Yeah -- I jsut caught that too and posted about it. Sorry I didn't see this first.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:32 PM
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10. Would Edwards have read the August 6th PDB ?
He decided to wage war without even reading the NIE...the only one on the committe to do so...dem or repub.

The guy is reckless.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:39 PM
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12. Rather large downside to this, and it just caught my eye
To the uninformed -- it may look like the Rezko and Walmart comments were being directed at John and his quote was in defense of the accusations...

:hide:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:39 PM
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13. Big K&R here!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:41 PM
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16. Barack Slapathon.
:spank:Take that, Mr. Audacity of Hope.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:44 PM
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18. Here's another ....
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:47 PM
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20. lol nt
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:48 PM
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21. Headline: Zingers fly in S.C. debate
Clinton, Obama hurl accusations of distortion as Edwards pleads for equal time

http://www.charlotte.com/540/story/457018.html

Pleads? Please...
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:12 PM
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26. Obama and Clinton
Look like a couple of little kids that just got a talk from "the adult"! I wonder how long this would have gone on if Edwards had not said what he said? Sure shows who is the real "leader" of the group, doesn't it? :thumbsup:
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:53 PM
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29. Thanks, Yael. Edwards should be the next president! K&R n/t
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