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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:29 AM
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In a nutshell: Hillary stomped Obama last night!
She kicked his ass from one end of the room to another and if you don't think she can do that with the Repub nominee, you aint been paying attention.

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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:37 AM
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1. I didn't see it that way.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 06:38 AM by Madam Mossfern
I saw mean spirited desperate smears with half-truths. I was actually warming up to Hillary, thinking that I could live with it if she won the nomination. After last night, I don't think that any more. I'm not an Obama supporter and I don't think she "kicked his ass" at all. She was a conversation hog and interupted several times stretching out her answers to gain more air time.

Being that any name I use to describe her would be construed as "anti-feminist' or 'myogynist" I may as well say that she was the ultimate bitch (and I don't mean that in a good way) She made no points about her ideas that impress me. Obama set out the bait and she took it with relish.

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:40 AM
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2. IAnd I saw Obama's meekness in retaliation
They'll eat him alive if he's the nominee.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:09 AM
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17. "Half Truths?" "meanspirited?" She's running for President.
Just because Obama tells his scathing remarks with a smile and the look of an innocent victim, doesn't make what he says any more "thruthful" or any less distorted. I feel like the OP. If anyone thinks HC lost that debate to either Obama or Edwards, they haven't been listening or don't know the facts about the political secene.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:46 AM
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3. I had started
to watch the debate, and then got called away due to an extended family (chronic) crisis. I saw it on replay this morning. I give these grades:

Hillary Clinton: A
Barack Obama: A
John Edwards: A+

Of course, I have an advantage of being objective, because I support all three candidates. I understand that others, who are invested in a single candidate, will view the debate subjectively.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:14 AM
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8. I basically agree with your assessment, H20 Man...
I think Obama faltered a bit in the first half but came back strong in the second half.

And, I think they each embodied and conveyed their individual, unique strength very well in last night's debate.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:17 AM
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19. wow, rationality on DU
that's almost novel. :evilgrin:

Of course, by not giving one candidate an F, you'll have supporters of the other candidates accuse you of de facto support for Bush-Lite.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:06 PM
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25. I support all 3, too. I'm having a hard time deciding my vote for Super Tuesday
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:11 PM
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27. Is that the same grading scale that gives Smirk a "gentleman's C"??
:rofl:

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:56 PM
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29. I seen the whole thing an those grades are damn close to what I had
They all were on their games. Edwards just a little more so.

Don
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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:47 AM
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4. Obama looked very electable...
... Clinton just looked divisive.
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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:48 AM
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5. She came off very nasty to me...
The "Slum lord" comment was very telling that nothing is too low for her. I think she has forgot the lesson she learned in her first campaign. I don't even remember her opponents name now, but there was a debate where he walked over to her podium and bullied his way into her space and generally took her time to speak. It was a turning point because voters pick up on that sort of thing. People look for fair play and they notice when someone is out of line.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:51 AM
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6. Nonsense. She was exposed as a shameless liar. nt
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:00 AM
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7. She seemed to be yelling. I found her voice so annoying that I hit the mute button.
I used the mute button for the first four years of Bush's Presidency. Now I just change the channel.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:18 AM
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9. You're absolutely right.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:18 AM
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10. I think both of the front-line candidates murdered each other.
Unless a whole lot of people in our party wise-up
*REAL SOON*, it's going to be an awful November.

Tesha
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:42 AM
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11. I completely agree
Although she is my third choice of the three I do agree that she completely dominated Obama last evening. I thought a couple of her charges were low blows but all in all she really put it to him and he knew it.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:57 AM
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12. o, and obama the saint didn't hand her a few low blos of his own?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:00 AM
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13. How ya been Beach?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:10 AM
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14. Wow - I saw it completely differently.
She came across as bitchy, nasty and harsh. She was half yelling through most of the debate. Maybe if Obama had acted like something other than a presidential candidate - a raving maniac, perhaps - you might have had a better opinion of him.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:56 AM
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15. Not so much.......
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:06 AM
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16. i agree, unlike other i think the actual fighting between obama and HRC istn bad
it gives me hope that they will have the same spirit with the republicans.

whichever one of them wins.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:12 AM
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18. Nope they both came off very badly last night
focus group on CNN liked Edwards because he was above their childishness.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 02:58 PM
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20. And Edwards stomped them both...n/t
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:50 PM
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21. True. He recovered by the end though and Edwards did very well too
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 03:54 PM by robbedvoter
MSM, RW-ers are sure praising Obama hard these days - the theory that they want to face Hillary gets thinner by the minute.
"they've been attacking me for 16 years and to their dismay, i'm still here" - got huge applause.
I am not sure I'll vote for her in the primaries, but the idea of having HER fighting the GOP-ers makes me feel better (not that I don't believe any of our guys can cream any of theirs)
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:00 PM
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22. So? Does that change her policy and her voting record?
It doesn't change the fact that she supported (and still supports) Iraq, that her health care plan is not real, that she is taking millions from huge corporations.

But go ahead. Continue to vote for the one who "looks better", or "speaks better", or "kicks more ass", instead of basing your vote on issues and policy.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:04 PM
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23. *Shrug*. I don't have a dog in that fight.
And, the 5 minutes of the "debate" I subjected myself too ended with "Why am I watching this silly shit?"
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:05 PM
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24. Edwards won by being the only one with anything to say
The other two came off as immature brats trashing each other, and I say they tied at zero. See the following thread for a concise summary:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2742723&mesg_id=2742723
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:07 PM
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as usual
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:07 PM
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26. Sure. That's why the media is calling her all shades of angry today. n/t
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:15 PM
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28. I guess people see what they want to see
God what a mess.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:00 PM
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30. I saw the same thing and loved it when Edwards kicked Obama's butt as well...
made for an amusing night. "Kicking Obama" should be made into a television reality show. I liked it best when he started to whine and cry about how poorly that mean man Bill Clinton was treating him.:rofl:
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