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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:19 PM
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Does Obama support a woman's right to choose?
Or does he support a woman's right to be PRESENT?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:20 PM
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:20 PM
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2. Only a man can post that. I doubt any woman could be that stupid.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 06:20 PM by Mass
But still fun to read. You may want to read his scores, if it is not too hard for you.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:21 PM
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4. Barely
I you want to protect womens's rights, elect a woman!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:23 PM
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6. All men are not stupid. Only a happy few.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:26 PM
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12. Don't be ridiculous. You're embarassing yourself.
Some of the staunchest proponents of a woman's right to choose are catholic men. Ted Kennedy ring a bell? Pat Leahy? Try again.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:20 PM
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3. Yawn. 100% ratings from NARAL and Planned Parenthood
But I suspect you already new that.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:21 PM
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5. Would NARAL and Planned Parenthood give him 100% ratings if he didn't?
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 06:21 PM by Kristi1696
Educate yourself. Those "present" votes were part of a strategy divised BY Planned Parenthood to protect more vulnerable legislators from having to vote on them, and risk harming their political careers.

Seriously. You need to read more. This was resolved weeks ago. You're way behind.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:24 PM
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8. So it was a political maneuver?
Than why is he so holier-than-thou on "political" votes made by Edwards and Clinton?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:25 PM
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11. There's a difference between
"Planned Parenthood suggests you can best further the cause of abortion rights by voting present here" and selling out the entire country on a war vote so you can posture yourself as "strong on terror."
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:34 PM
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18. Best Post Ever! Seriously, can I K&R a subthread?
Excellent post.
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:41 PM
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26. Odd. I thought Barack Obama --
who often doesn't show up to vote on Senate resolutions --

had shown up to vote in favor of every single bill to fund the Iraq debacle.

I suppose someone at his website must have gotten it wrong when he said he wants to prolong the Iraq occupation past 2013.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:26 PM
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14. Divised by Planned Parenthood to protect pro-choice legislators. Yes.
Are you suggesting pro-choice legislators should not be protected?

Or are you just going to turn this into an "Aha! He made a political manuever" issue and make yourself look like a complete ass in the process?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:47 PM
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30. No, that can't be right.
I think planned parenthood is mistaken.

He only votes present because he has a technical problem with the way a bill he supports is written, not for political cover-my-ass not-wanting-to-make-a-stand reasons. He explained that last night.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:01 PM
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37. He was making a stand...
He voted "present" at the request of Planned Parenthood to stand up to harmful legislation planted by Republicans in order to trap vulnerable pro-choice legislators.

This was a stand.

Are you really that dense?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:11 PM
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40. Just pointing out that it contradicts what he said last night
Perhaps he was just oversimplifying, but he definitely did NOT portray those votes as "making a stand" during the debates.

Personally, I prefer my legislators take a stand against anti-women legislation without being afraid to say "I am prochoice" but whatever.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:23 PM
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7. Obama: "It’s never been more important to protect a woman’s right to choose."
Thirty-five years after the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, it’s never been more important to protect a woman’s right to choose. Last year, the Supreme Court decided by a vote of 5-4 to uphold the Federal Abortion Ban, and in doing so undermined an important principle of Roe v. Wade: that we must always protect women’s health. With one more vacancy on the Supreme Court, we could be looking at a majority hostile to a women’s fundamental right to choose for the first time since Roe v. Wade. The next president may be asked to nominate that Supreme Court justice. That is what is at stake in this election.

Throughout my career, I’ve been a consistent and strong supporter of reproductive justice, and have consistently had a 100% pro-choice rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America.

Moreover, I believe in and have supported common-sense solutions like increasing access to affordable birth control to help prevent unintended pregnancies. In the Illinois state Senate, when Congress failed to require insurance plans to cover FDA-approved contraceptives, I made sure those contraceptives were covered for women in Illinois.

In the U.S. Senate, I've worked with Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) on a bill that would make birth control more affordable for low-income and college women, and introduced the Senate version of Representative Hilda Solis’ bill to reduce unintended pregnancies in communities of color.

As President, I will improve access to affordable health care and work to ensure that our teens are getting the information and services they need to stay safe and healthy.

But we also know that Roe v. Wade is about more than a woman’s right to choose; it’s about equality. It’s about whether our daughters are going to have the same opportunities as our sons. And so to truly honor that decision, we need to update the social contract so that women can free themselves, and their children, from violent relationships; so that a mom can stay home with a sick child without getting a pink slip; so that she can go to work knowing that there’s affordable, quality childcare for her children; and so that the American dream is within reach for every family in this country.

http://women.barackobama.com/page/content/WFOhome
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:24 PM
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9. 100% NARAL rating. 100% Planned Parenthood rating.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:25 PM
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10. Consider his desire for "moderate" judges
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:26 PM
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13. Consider his flawless voting record on abortion issues.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:33 PM
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16. "Present."
You call that flawless? His record on choice is by far the worst of the three major candidates. Only Kucinich is worse among the remaining field.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:34 PM
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19. So you're attacking a Planned Parenthood strategy? That's laughable.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:43 PM
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27. I am attacking what Illinois NOW attacked
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:52 PM
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32. NOW was doing what Hillary is doing, distorting the past to score cheapo points.
Three female candidates were running for the Senate seat in IL against Obama, and that's why IL NOW attacked him.

They enthusiastically endorsed Lisa Madigan, a fellow present voter on the PP strategy, in her race for Attorney General two years earlier.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:58 PM
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35. The point is there is not unanimity among pro-choice groups in IL on Obama's record
Obamites try to make it sound as if there is.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:06 PM
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39. NOW is not a pro-choice group. They are a pro-women's group.
Reproductive freedom is just one their many issues. The get called to task by Planned Parenthood and NARAL on occasion.

AS I mentioned, IL NOW did not mind Lisa Madigan's present votes on the very same bills. Two of these groups have maintained a consistent position, one changed their mind with the gender of the candidate.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:48 PM
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31. Would you care to back that up with a fact or two?
NARAL and Planned Parenthood don't give bonus points for anything. 100% is 100%.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:57 PM
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34. Edwards and Hillary also get 100%
There is no reason to doubt them on choice; there are reasons to doubt Obama. That gives the edge to Hillary and Edwards.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:59 PM
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36. Oh, so you believe that NARAL and Planned Parenthood got it wrong.
I'll tell my friend who works for them. She'll be very disappointed you don't approve of the work she does.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:33 PM
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15. You'd prefer Bush's far right nominees?
I can't look at that link because I've got people on ignore over there, but this moderate judge quote comes from his book, and I'm familiar with the part.

Obama points out Bush's nominations of strict constructionist, extreme RW judges, and how the filibuster is the only real defense left. The filibuster remains relevant today, he theorizes, as it encourages the appointment of more moderate judges, as opposed to wingnuts.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:34 PM
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17. "moderate" judges=DLC types.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:35 PM
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20. How could you like Edwards and not the DLC? They were practically synonymous in the Senate.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:36 PM
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23. Non moderate judges = Scalia types
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:45 PM
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28. Non moderate types= the progressives appointed by real agents of change like FDR
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:55 PM
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33. You are ignoring the basis of the statement you cite.
Obama was referring to BUSH'S NOMINEES as too extreme, and how it would be wiser for him to appoint more moderate judges or face a filibuster.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:39 PM
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24. Like Alito, Roberts, Scalia and Thomas?
As a woman, they scare the shit out of me, we do not need more of the same.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:35 PM
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21. No one really k nows..he is hopeful though
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:36 PM
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22. Planned Parenthood and NARAL know. They gave him 100% ratings.
I prefer to believe them over you.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:45 PM
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29. And Illinois NOW attacked him for not taking a stand on many abortion votes
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:02 PM
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38. And Planned Parenthood attacked Illinois NOW for that.
He did this at the request of Planned Parenthood.

How is that so hard to understand?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:41 PM
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25. I will ignore your ignorant snark and not consider it representative of your candidate.
you're welcome
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:18 PM
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41. wow ! the facts just does`t matter anymore...
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:26 AM
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42. That's just petty and stupid. nt
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