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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:21 PM
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I want the Democratic Nominee to win the General Election, but I have a 'bad feeling' about...
... the direction Hillary and Obama are headed.

They each have their own strengths and their own weaknesses --and they are very unlike the other on both counts.

That means they are each vulnerable to different types of attacks, and no matter which one wins the Democratic Nomination -- neither of them will escape this race undamaged, and whichever one wins will face a constant barrage of ads run against them by Repubs that use a fellow Democrat's words against them.

In my lifetime there has never been a greater likelihood of a Democrat winning the General Election for President than this election cycle. Yet, that is no guarantee of success.

The truth is the elected Democratic Nominee may not be the best candidate to run against the Republican Nominee, and in that circumstance WE MAY LOSE THIS ELECTION.

WE need to move beyond the individual and think about who is most electable in running against the Republican Nominee. THe stakes are too high not to do so.

IMHO Edwards is the most electable Democratic candidate. I hope people will realize this before it is too late.

But if Edwards is not the Democratic Party Nominee I hope both Hillary and Obama will NOT hand to the Republicans the presidency for the next 4 years --just because they are willing to say and/or do anything to make sure they are the Democratic Nominee.

If that happens.... God help us all.....

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:23 PM
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1. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.....
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:23 PM
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2. I think Edwards is staying in because Hillary is hitting Obama so low
Obama is now forced to get mean. If Hillary is not careful she could destroy both her and Obama and be a spectator at John Edwards inauguration.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:24 PM
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4. Totally 100% agree. This would probably not be a bad thing :-)
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:24 PM
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3. "WE need to move beyond the individual and.........."
".........think about who is most electable in running against the Republican Nominee."


Uh, thats exactly what Obama was talking about when he mentioned Reagan, but some people refused to try and understand that.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:29 PM
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9. Well then "we" better get behind John Edwards
because Clinton and Obama are unelectable in the general election.....


I'm not totally sure Edwards is electable - but what I am sure of he is the MOST electable of the three....

folks can write off the south all they want but the winning candiddate is going to need Florida and I live here and I'm telling you neither Obama or Clinton will carry this state....

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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:26 PM
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5. I very much like what Edwards is saying now-a-days...
in fact, he was the only person that I got to autograph my Take Back America book, so that gives him bonus points in my book also...and I love his family, Elizabeth...

BUT, his senate voting record is the exact opposite of what he is saying...
He has to apologize for almost all of his votes, and that would be absolutely destructive in general against someone like McCain...

Edwards stood out "above" everyone last night simply because he had so little support they didn't need to bother...

I think Obama has the best strength in the general of bringing independents and even Republicans together to vote for him...in general, people (not necessarily everyone on here for sure! - but non-partisans who count for a lot) have a good feeling about him...that he is doing the best...

Clinton is brilliant, but she has huge negatives, will unite the Republican base like none other, and will rehash all of the devisiveness of the 1990s, which as a group - as Democrats - frankly got US (that collective us) nowhere in terms of a majority...people think less of democrats in general after the Clintons, and I think its time to move on from there...
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:32 PM
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11. I like the way you think
That entire post embodies my outlook.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:27 PM
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6. I have a much worse feeling
It comes from the recognition of what happens when one mixes extreme conservatives with fanaticism and firearms.

Hopefully, it's just my paranoia talking ...

--p!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:27 PM
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7. They are both ruining our party.
:mad:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:29 PM
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8. Hillary showed last night that she isn't always nice.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 10:30 PM by Jim Sagle
She also showed that she would smash the Republicon party wide open if they came it her they way they did her husband.

But then, so would Edwards. And he'd be doing it on more important issues.
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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:32 PM
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10. Arg!
During the general election, the Democratic candidate will have to move towards the center.

Who will have an easier time doing that, Obama or Edwards?

Who are conservatives already supporting, Obama or Edwards?
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:34 PM
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12. Sometimes you can lose when you win ... this may be one of those times...
IF the eventual Democratic Nominee is 'trashed' in the Party Nominee race, we should not expect voters to forget that when we ask them to vote for the Democratic Nominee in the General Election.

IF this is the way you have to win... you may lose the ultimate race, the General Election.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:37 PM
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13. Who needs the Republican slime machine?
The GOP can just save their money. The Democrats are doing their dirty work for them. It's crap like this that turns off the electorate. Why bother to vote when your candidates spend so much of their time trashing each other?

Hello President McCain. I really want to be wrong here.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:47 PM
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14. Remember, Repubs are already sitting on plenty of Opposition Research to use against each....
... and they won't disclose it until the Democratic Nominee is selected.

But this will resonate with voters as confirmation that other allegations just might be true.

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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:59 PM
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15.  If Edwards is the most electable why isn't he doing better.
That said DU has given plenty of material for the Repbs to beat us over the head with.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:54 PM
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16. This is why.


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