Obama uses the race card once again. "...will she be able to get the people who voted for me"

jasmine621

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:06 AM
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Obama uses the race card once again. "...will she be able to get the people who voted for me"

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 12:07 AM by jasmine621

It is veiled but we all understand what he meant.

Here we go again. That was such a baiting and divisive statement. Almost suggesting to his supporters that they should not support HC if he loses.

In this instance, HC said all the right things about a unified party. Obama dropped the ball on this one. Sorry!

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AX10

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:07 AM
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1. It is also meant to smear Clinton as unelectable.

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papau

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:13 AM
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12. the race card worked for him in SC - seems reasonable to play it again for 2/5

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Pirate Smile

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:07 AM
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2. He is talking about Independents and cross-over Republicans.

What the hell did you think he was talking about? :wtf:

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jasmine621

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:08 AM
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5. Sure, he is. nt

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Blue_In_AK

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:09 AM
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8. Why didn't he say so?

It sounded like kind of a threat to me.

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Pirate Smile

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:29 AM
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15. I believe he did earlier: I'm trying to remember where I read it online.

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 12:37 AM by Pirate Smile

Obama has won the rural vote in all three early states so far. When discussing the Nevada caucus, he said that Hillary won Clark County = Los Vegas. He was saying he would win those areas as nominee but it would be harder for her to win the rural and more conservative areas where he has done well.

He wasn't talking about Democrats. He was talking about the cross-overs.

I know Olberman didn't "get it" tonight which was rather disappointing because I usually think he is smarter then that.

Obama has a tendency to talk to people like they are pretty sharp instead of talking down to them. That is nice (after Bush) but it doesn't always lend itself to short soundbites. I had already read an article on it so I know what his point was and I don't think Olberman gave the full explanation - he didn't seem to get it either. If people want to take it the wrong way, they obviously can and will. He will be asked about it and clarify, I'm sure.

edit to add - I see this is linked to below - a thread by Kurt_and_Hunter:

Obama's new comments are benign, not extortion or divisionism

Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 08:18 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter

Out of context, they sound laden with malign intimations, but in context they are not a threat, not racial, and in no way extraordinary. He is clearly referring to rural voters who "traditionally don't vote Democratic," not to his Democratic supporters.

Verdict: Bum Rap
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BRODY: Will Hillary be a drag for down-ticket races as a presidential candidate?

OBAMA: I think there is no doubt that she has higher negatives than any of the remaining democratic candidates. That's just a fact and there are some who will not vote for her. If you look at the results in Nevada, for example, she eked out the popular vote victory over me, but I ended up winning more delegates because she got almost all of her votes from Clark County, Las Vegas and some of the traditional democratic areas. We got votes there, but we also got votes in northern Nevada and rural conservative regions of the state that traditionally don't vote Democratic, but were excited about my campaign.

I have no doubt that once the nomination contest is over, I will get the people who voted for her. Now the question is can she get the people who voted for me? And I think that describes sort of one of the choices that people have, just a practical choice, as they move forward."

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/0...

The more I think about it, the more shitty I think Olbermans segment on it was. He should know better.

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Blue_In_AK

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:36 AM
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18. I'm not taking it any way, particularly...

It just seems that sometimes Obama makes comments that are easily misinterpreted without further explanation. It almost seems like he speaks in vague generalities so that people can fill in the blanks in their own mind as to what he really means.

For instance the Reagan/Republican ideas remarks. It's true he didn't say he admired Reagan particularly, and he didn't say the Republicans had "good" ideas, but any independents/Republicans looking toward him as a candidate could easily make those assumptions. To die-hard Democrats who took offense, he had to come back and explain himself. This bothers me a little bit, because it seems too much like he's manipulating and playing politics.

But then again -- that's what it is, right? Politics as usual. :)

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Pirate Smile

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:38 AM
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19. I edited and added more info that shows exactly what he was talking about.

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Blue_In_AK

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:41 AM
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21. Gotcha, I saw that.

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 12:41 AM by Blue_In_AK

Thanks. This is the problem with our sound bite media. If one didn't know better, one might think they're trying to cause trouble within the Democratic ranks. Ya think?

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JI7

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:22 AM
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27. considering it's mostly been white people who have voted for him

i think it's clear he isn't talking about african americans.

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Blue_In_AK

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Thu Jan-24-08 02:27 AM
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39. I didn't make that assumption.

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pampango

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Thu Jan-24-08 05:25 AM
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44. Add college students and men to that list of groups. Of course,

what some hear when he says that depends on where there head is at. ;)

There are some who that "those who vote for me" must be referring to Blacks, since a Black candidate said it. He can't possible mean all the people who "vote for me". How one hears this statement may tell more about the listener than about the speaker.

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salin

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Thu Jan-24-08 05:48 AM
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45. that was my read...

indeed given the first two primary/caucus states voting demographics - the whole assertion of the OP is a wee bit absurd.

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HeraldSquare212

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:08 AM
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3. Yes, he's obviously referring to this white supporter.

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LittleClarkie

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:08 AM
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4. More likely the youth card

Those who are coming out for him may not be so interested in Hillary. Eh, that seems accurate enough. What's with the hubbub?

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Kurt_and_Hunter

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:08 AM
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6. I call BULLSHIT on your mischaracterization. Read the whole thing here>>>

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 12:09 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter

I am an Obama-disliker, but I do not support any bogus racialization of the campaign:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4176367

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rodeodance

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:22 AM
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29. umm --comes across with a bit of smuggness about him. thanks for the quotes.

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tammywammy

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:09 AM
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7. riiiight

Or more likely he mean the independent and youth vote.

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Thrill

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:10 AM
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9. Why are Democrats using this pathetic saying "race card"

hmmmmm again the showing of true colors is coming out. Like Randi Rhodes says, this is a bullshit saying that Repukes and racist use. Its sad to see the so called Liberals and Democrats use it

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EffieBlack

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:30 AM
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33. SOOOO True!

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Tarc

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:10 AM
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10. Bit early to go into defeatist, disaster-management mode, Obama

If you're already playing the "If I lose..." card this early in the campaign, then you're already lost.

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my2sense

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:10 AM
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11. What is "Racial" About This Statement?

Please enlighten me. Did you speak with him personally or are you a mind reader? And could you please let me know where "race" cards are sold?

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EffieBlack

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:31 AM
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34. He's black

So anything he says - even if he doesn't mention race - must be seen through the prism of race.

On the other hand, white people aren't really white. They're just people. So they can say whatever they want without being accused of playing the race card, even when they actually mention race.

Get it?

:sarcasm:

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Bread and Circus

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:14 AM
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13. He was talking about rural Nevadans. Nevada is only 7.9%

black. His comments were not about racial preference. His comments were about swing and rural voters.

You have seriously misinterpreted his statement.

The only "here we go again" is an apparent Clinton supporter making something up.

The unfortunate for you fact is that race actually worked against Obama in Nevada as it is 24% Latino/hispanic and Hillary got a majority of those.

Clinton plays well with women and urban voters but it is the rural areas that often deliver the electoral votes needed to win the Presidency. He gets those kind of votes, she doesn't. That's Obama's real point.

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jasmine621

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:42 AM
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22. It's those "rural" areas that will vote against HC now and in the genera election

they will vote against Obama. This is the game plan folks. This country will not elect a black or woman as President. HC has the best chance for making me wrong about this, but the HC haters will come out in droves in the GE. Too bad, because I think she would make a great President.

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Nailzberg

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:15 AM
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14. You're way off.

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 12:15 AM by Nailzberg

Most people realize he is talking about the independents he attracts that Hillary does not.

Hillary is right, the PARTY will unify.

But that's not a majority. Obama's argument is that he has attracted independents, who will be needed in November. And doesn't know whether or not she'll be able to court them as well.

Personally, I think she has a lot of bridge building to do if she wants to win the independents.

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Colobo

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:29 AM
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16. He's talking about his supporters in general.

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angie_love

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:31 AM
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17. Erm

Yeah anyone with half a brain understands what he meant, and I guess you're not included. He meant he appeals to independents/some republicans, there is nothing racial about what he said. dumb dumb.

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ArkySue

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:38 AM
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20. It sure didn't sound like

unifying the party after the primaries was his aim with this statement.
Will Obama ask his supporters to support the Dem nominee, whomever it is?

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rufus dog

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:48 AM
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23. wouldn't that mean white rural people won't vote for her?

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BenDavid

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:54 AM
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24. THIS GUY IS GETTING MORE MESSIANIC IN HIS OWN MIND

and that is pretty damn scary.....Before obama can change water into wine and feed the masses with fish and a loaf of bread don't ya think it would important if he won the nomination first....with a statement like that sure it is using the race card, just as I said he would and this goes back to january 07 in manchester n.h. when he used the race card there when he said, " a person of color has a harder time getting elected" even last week approved a radio spot that said "Hillary Clinton does not respect our people,".

I got something to tell obama and you supporters too.....Jesus not involved in this years election...

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LeFleur1

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:09 AM
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25. What Was He Saying?

He was saying if he doesn't win, you can all stuff it. He won't do one thing to unite the Democratic party.

At one time I was thinking of voting for him, but not any more.

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jbnow

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:27 AM
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31. He said it in the interview-look

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/308216.aspx

We got votes there, but we also got votes in northern Nevada and rural conservative regions of the state that traditionally don't vote Democratic, but were excited about my campaign.

I have no doubt that once the nomination contest is over, I will get the people who voted for her. Now the question is can she get the people who voted for me? And I think that describes sort of one of the choices that people have, just a practical choice, as they move forward."

He could have said it better but that is the question-will people who don't usually vote for Democrats vote for her?

He keeps getting the bulk of the independents and first time voter as exit polls show.

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peoli

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:15 AM
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26. Im white and wont vote for Hillary but will gladly vote for Obama. Am I racist?

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JackORoses

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:22 AM
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28. It is the Independent Card, you dullard. Hillary has no draw among Independents.

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Colobo

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:25 AM
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30. LOL @ dullard!

:rofl:

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Bodhi BloodWave

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:33 AM
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35. Hehe, one has to be impressed at just how many wierd places they can use that card n/t

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LittleClarkie

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:28 AM
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32. Yesss, massster

I hear and will obey...

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jbnow

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:36 AM
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36. I just noticed your ridculous subject line.

Did you bother to find out what he said?

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/308216.aspx

We got votes there, but we also got votes in northern Nevada and rural conservative regions of the state that traditionally don't vote Democratic, but were excited about my campaign.

I have no doubt that once the nomination contest is over, I will get the people who voted for her. Now the question is can she get the people who voted for me? And I think that describes sort of one of the choices that people have, just a practical choice, as they move forward."

Ya, those rural voters who don't usually vote Democrat, they're his brothers. Such...uh..farmer baiting?

Do you think you can make independent non-Dem voters vote for who you tell them?

Hillary did well, she said the party would gather together. If he was asked that he'd say the same, they all would.
He is not talking about party voters-that exit polls show he DOES get

Funny your mind would go to race.

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fishwax

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:38 AM
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37. using the race card?

whatever. :eyes:

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B Calm

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:58 AM
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38. I think he means he has the republican vote.. Praising Reagan

will not be enough, he still has a D after his name..

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Blue_In_AK

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Thu Jan-24-08 02:29 AM
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40. This doesn't seem like playing the race card to me.

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dkf

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Thu Jan-24-08 02:41 AM
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41. Sigh.

"There are three classes of people: those who see, those who see when they are shown, those who do not see. " - Leonardo da Vinci

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donheld

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Thu Jan-24-08 03:54 AM
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42. That's a nice looooong stretch

so much for the truth.

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Thu Jan-24-08 05:19 AM
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43. yep; obama must be reading DU. nt

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