You know, I can't stand Hillary

But I am absolutely convinced that the Clinton smear machine would absolutely bury John McCain.

Matter of fact, I dont think it would even be close.

McCain is not the kind of guy that would have the GOP machinery behind him - he would get buried much like Obama is now.

I will not be happy if Hillary wins the primary. But at minimum, I believe she would certainly win the general (as would Obama).

how people respond to this post.

I'm more interested in the process than the result.

But this is how I read the current climate.

The only danger in McCain is that he draws some independents, but Hillary would certainly arrange to take care of that.

Look, the Clintons are the ultimate politicians.

They are the type that manufacture consent not in the interest of the country, more in the interest in personal arrogance. I don't get a strong feeling that either of them really stand for anything.

On the other hand, there's not necessarily anything wrong with that, as I was much happier under Clinton that Reagan or Bush v 1.0 and v0.5 beta.

"Bush v 1.0 and v0.5 beta"
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like she's Don Corleone. Funny stuff.

GDP is becoming a lot more like the Lounge every day.

I agree with your posit BTW.

The Clinton tricks will bring republicans running to protect John McCain. Heck, the Clinton tricks have them "protecting" even Obama. One can imagine what would happen to/for a fellow repub.

That crotchety old curmudgeon ain't gonna motivate anybody. He'll probably have a heart attack and die when the pressure builds.

make the mistake that repubs are going to sit and let the Clintons take power again...ever. If ANYTHING is going to bring repubs out of their slumber...it's the prospect of a Clinton presidency and the Clinton's dirty tricks will be like cold water on their faces.

It's just that the thing that really riled up the Repukes the most was that the Bill Clinton CHARMED a lot of MODERATE Republicans to vote for him. They hate him because he was so charming AND he won. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE CLINTONS.

"It's just that the thing that really riled up the Repukes the most was that the Bill Clinton CHARMED a lot of MODERATE Republicans to vote for him."

That was over 15 years ago. Do you realize how deep the hatred for Hillary is?

Somebody posted a poll that indicated that much of his support is of the "may support" variety and that it's not particularly solid. I think that he'd get thumped in the general by any of our candidates.

most likely.

I can't see him selling that position successfully in the current political climate.

Plus, there's that whole "he's insane" thing.

I know that you have the straight talk express and all, but good luck selling this one.

with an Army brigade. No one's that naive, McCain.

She deliberately misrepresented Paul Krugman's words to attack his character and his honesty, and those lies convinced thousands of fools that Krugman is a bad guy.

She deliberately tricked people into thinking that a legal, accurate, and polite ad paid for by labor unions was some kind of vicious attack sponsored by shadowy scumbags.

When her opponent spoke about LBJ's slow and detail-oriented efforts to pass legislation, she allowed those comments to be misinterpreted for days as some kind of racial attack.

Oh wait, that wasn't Hillary, in any of those cases -- it was the guy who has run the most dishonest campaign in modern Democratic history, Barack Obama.

Obama can certainly smear John McCain into the ground, but will he? So far he's only attacked liberals.

You have an ex-president attacking members of his own party during a primary.

Whats worse is that its not even scaled-back. Big Dog views Obama as an opponent, just as much as any Republican they would be running against. And I say They without apology.

You didn't see Bush Sr. attacking McCain during the 2000 primary. I hate to admit that Republicans may out-class democracts in this regards at the moment.

Loyalty to party does matter. And my personal regard for Bill Clinton has dropped considerably in the last two weeks. You may not care, but I believe that the perception on this is not nuanced.

Of course, Obama is handling this horribly. He used to shrug it off ( beep beep beep was my favorite), but no more.

but no, I can't see anything wrong with Bill finally coming forward, after the media and political figures have been attacking his wife for months.

Michelle Obama and Elizabeth Edwards both campaign with their spouses.

If you're going to bring a Republican comparison into the picture -- when Elizabeth Dole ran for President, Bob "Viagra" Dole did speak to the media about her opponents.

Obama is consciously running a campaign based on charisma rather than issues. His supporters are instructed to talk about their personal moments of revelation rather than talk about Obama's policies.

Here on DU, I'm struck every single day by the simple fact that Obama's supporters know what he did in 2003, but they don't know what he plans to do in 2009, if he's elected. His own followers don't know what he stands for. They don't know his stance on Iraq or on health care.

Obama's campaign is based on liking Obama. It's not based on anything he stands for. This leads Obama's supporters to hear any criticism of Obama's policies as an attack on the man. When a group paid for a very polite ad favoring Edwards, Obama's supporters convinced themselves that there was an attack on their candidate. When Paul Krugman gave a reasoned analysis of some of Obama's policies, Obama's campaign released a dishonest personal attack on Krugman -- and Obama's supporters can't even understand that it's possible to criticize Obama's policies without being a "shill" for Hillary.

You can say "that's just his supporters," but it's really Obama's doing. He is running a campaign on "hope," and every time someone addresses the substance of his policies, Obama's supporters see it as an attack on "hope." That's Obama's doing. Emphasizing charisma and downplaying policy -- that's not okay with me. That's what George W. Bush's campaign did in 2000.

one said we needed to win the presidency sine our last two candidates voth took standing 8 counts......So if obama is so entangled in this mess with hrc and off message just think what the slim machine of the right will do to him. hell they will be there for mccain you can bet on it cause they want the power...they thirst for power.....but HRC will fight till the last dog dies and this is what we all said we needed....YOu win it clean or you win it dirty, you still win.....and when HRC wins WE all win

or how good their turbo-charged attack machine of shame, is.

Hillary can't win.

Republicans hate her and won't vote for her. In fact, she'll galvanize the hell
out of that party, and they'll show up at the polls in droves--to vote against her.

Heads explode in Republican circles when you mention Hillary's name.

Poll after poll shows that Independents aren't too jazzed about her either. She does not
have the swing vote.

Nineteen percent of our own party will vote AGAINST HER. Have you seen those polls?
She is so polarizing, that nearly one in five from our own party will not vote for her.

Please people. Come to your senses. It doesn't matter how great of a attack dog she is.

She cannot garner enough votes to win.

over and over again until it sinks in. PLEASE!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!

and Hillary won't have my vote...

Coulda fooled me. It's taking every last ounce of Clinton nastiness just to have a slight lead.

If that happened, I might have to vote third party or maybe even McCain if I am pissed enough.