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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:03 AM
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Shall we let the Republicans determine our candidate?
From the beginning many, myself included, had reservation about Clinton galvanizing the Republicans to go out and vote.

But the more I think about it, the more I would love for her to win and for me to just go to work with a big grin on my face, saying absolutely nothing.

This is also what that Clinton haters in MSNBC/Newsweek keep pounding

But how can anyone be sure?

And let's be honest.

We had decent candidates - Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry - who tried to take the high road and lost.

And we have the guerrilla warrior Bill Clinton who won twice.

And perhaps the reality is that politics is not a "gentlemen sport" but a dirty one. Even Obama is known to have used Chicago politics when he ran for the Illinois Senate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3201329

And, I had to marvel at the duplicity of the WSJ editors (yes, I know, redundant) discussing the tricks used by the Clintons.


Meanwhile, Mrs. Clinton can claim to disapprove of these attacks, and even assert that she herself is being unfairly picked on by the media because she's a woman. She wants to make the primary contest about race and gender, rather than about Mr. Obama's larger, more inspiring message of change. She can then diminish Mr. Obama and make the choice a trench fight for the votes of typical Democratic constituencies. You gotta do what you gotta do.

"I understand him wanting to promote his wife's candidacy," Mr. Obama added on Sunday, referring to Bill Clinton. "She's got a record that she can run on. But I think it's important that we try to maintain some -- you know, level of honesty and candor during the course of the campaign. If we don't, then we feed the cynicism that has led so many Americans to be turned off to politics."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120104819435508233.html?mod=todays_us_opinion

This, from the gang of Lee Atwater and Roger Ailes and the rest of them?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:04 AM
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1. When I make these comments, they are in no intended to be
a bash fest. These are my observations. Some Democratic Elites
and SOME Media are out of touch with Americans. They totally
ignore some facts. In the past two years a professor presenting
his book--I cannot remember his name but he was discussing education
in the US. This fact smacked me in the face and has troubled me
me since. Almost 70% of Americans cannot comprehend compound
sentences--do no not even mention a compound comples sentence
or a dangling participle. 70% of Americans under 75,000 dollars
annually and half earn under 36,000,000 annually. Education and
Earnings put them in a Cultural bracket much different from
especially the Beltway Crowd and the Hill. When Congress go
home for town halls, let's be honest--attendees are pretty much
activists in the parties.(As we know here at DU Activists are a
breed unto themselves. Whether we like it or not,this is the hand
we are dealt and these are the American People and these are our
voters.

IMO, The Democratic Party continues to keep doing the same thing
over and over. They push candidates which appeal to upper classes
better educated.

People from this culture are often ouspoken, can get into bar room
bawls, yes they have a zest for life , love a good time, throw
verbal jabes at each other. Why do you think GWB decided he would
OutTexas Anne Richards. His schtic endeared to major portion of
Americans. It helps that even though he came from affluence he
really likes the people. No everyone does not have to be cowboy.
He is not being hypocritical in this area. If you notice John
Edwards, once they get to know him, they like him.He understands
cultural differences growing up in small towns in the Carolinas.

We select Candidates who really are not comfortable and sometimes
do not get the necessity of reaching people. This does not mean
the candidate has to change his personality and pretend he is something
he is not. It means you have the ability to realize that groups
who are not as educated, not as wealthy might have little twinges
of discomfort with persons from other classes. Huckabee uses humor.
Not everyone is as quick on their feet, with the humor. Nor are
they expected to be. What they are searching for is the assurance
that you do not consider yourself "above them" or "better than they
are" because of your station in life. Humanize yourself by telling
a story from your life, share an incident that really touched you.
Breaking the ice so to speak is half the battle.

Bill Clinton and Hilary have this gift--very different from Huckabee
in style. Bill C. has it by the barrelsful. People have to warm
up to Hilary . They both really like the people and care about
them and the people sense this. We and the Media are cynical
and some anomg do not even wish to give them a chance. Hilary showed
she has it when she brought the people of NH around. She had listening
to those "outdated Handlers" staying above the fray and boy did
she work her behind off there in NH. If she did not get it she
could never have turned them around.

If you think back, the handlers kept a lot of our Candidates
"in a straight jacket and above the fray". I still believe
they could have won by landslikes.

The Elites need to butt out. Let out candidates be human
beings. Bill and Hilary will. They are fighters. Who
is the only Democrat to win a Presidency twice--since Carter.
When the GOP throw mud, they sling it right back do not whine
and keep moving on.

Edwards has understood and gets the people to him, He has
learn to fight.




















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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:09 PM
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3. Interesting. Yes, Bill Clinton has the unique combination
of being personable and education. And... people tend to warm up more for men than for women. As someone once tried to explain to me that women are associated with our mothers, our first disciplinarians.

And I agree with you about Huckabee. Is there something in the water of Hope, Arkansas?

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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:22 AM
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2. they already have
Its all over, but the shouting
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