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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:12 AM
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John Edwards has not yet begun to fight !
Thanks to Hillary and Obama, and their racial infighting, John Edwards will surprise people in South Carolina. But his biggest victories are yet to come. The voters on Super Tuesday will make a statement.
They will decide if they truly want Hillary or Obama OR if they might want to choose another candidate. The inevitability of either Hillary or Obama is a figment of someone's imagination. This race is far from over.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:13 AM
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1. I pray you are right.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:17 AM
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2. Edwards or Un-Committed ALL of the Way!!! nt
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:17 AM
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3. Indeed he better start soon, or it won't matter.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:19 AM
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4. Too bad he didn't fight when he was in the senate
Iraq war vote
China trade
Yucca mountain

But whatever you are right he is a fighter, he has been fighting to become president for the past 6 years
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:22 AM
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5. Nobody is perfect and anybody can change..
This goes for all the candidates. However, the important issue is where do they stand at the present time. Consistency is not a virtue if it means you continue to support mistakes you have made in the past.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:02 AM
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13. Change can be Learning. You can tell whether it's Learning or
just self-serving flip-flopping by looking at efforts to create consistency in behavior after the change/learning. Also, I think policy details reveal learning and, as an educator, one of the ones I like the most in Edwards's platform is his "Second Chance Schools" = Real Change!!!

Solidarity, kentuck!
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haroldgiowa Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:23 AM
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6. Every body needs to pay attention.
During the debates this week there was quite a telling display put on by our two leading candidates. This is what basing your choices on celebrity status and money give you. Ask yourselves this before you cast your votes on super Tuesday. Do you want your President to be out of control debating nothing important during a national crisis. Our two leading candidates felt it was necessary to debate the others past instead of offering words to cure our problems.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:55 AM
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11. Edwards was soooo in control of that situation. His question about Obama's 100 present votes
showed that:

Does anyone REALLY think a trial lawyer would ask a question like that without some idea of what the answer was going to be?

Q. What kind of attorney doesn't do enough oppo research to know how the Illinois Senate uses the "present vote" to allow senators to express their technical objections to a bill without being forced to either support it or kill it (just as Obama said)? A. A poor attorney - and - that - ain't - John Edwards.

He asked that question to get Obama to respond to the Clinton Machine while at the same time counting coup on him (and I do mean counting coup in the same manner as some Native American tribes used to do it - a kind of pro forma striking, just to show that you can strike and you can do more if you wish). It was a polite way to use what was going on between the other two, not only to his own advantage and without getting dirty doing it, but also to Obama's advantage against HC, which helps Edwards.

P.S. I'm married to an attorney. Questions are never just questions.

Very, very SMART. Even my Libertarian attorney husband, who does NOT like Edwards, tipped his hat to that one.

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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:27 AM
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22. Hot Damn!!!!
The chess of politics!

I love it!

Edwards rocks!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:31 AM
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25. Me tooo, I'm a debate addict, if they actually debate that is.
None of those canned talking points for me. I understand why they have to do stump speeches, but i LIVE for when they actually talk to us. I love conversation!
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:35 AM
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27. A real debate exposes all of their strengths and weaknesses.
You and your husband's analysis showed me the further, underlying intricacies of a very smart strategy on Edwards part.

I want that man for president!

We need someone that smart in the White House!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:23 AM
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7. Thanks for the battle cry, kentuck! The more people get the chance to hear Edwards, the more
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 09:24 AM by chimpymustgo
they LIKE him, and want to VOTE for him. We have to keep on pushing.


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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:26 AM
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8. Why not? What kept him?
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 10:07 AM by robbedvoter
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:06 AM
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15. The Machine placed its bets on the other two, trying to cover
both ends of what was the main issue spectrum: Hillary "pro-War" vs Obama "anti-this-War".

The Machine is all that HC has. Obama is trying to re-align the Machine. And John Edwards is trying to build something different out of the pieces.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:28 AM
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23. I hope he wins SC - let's leave it at that.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:34 AM
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26. The last time he ran in primary in SC....
He beat John Kerry by over 40,000 votes and Al Sharpton was on the ballot, too. Granted Al Sharpton is not Barack Obama, but he was going after the black vote also. I doubt that all of those 120,000 that voted for Edwards in 2004 will desert him for Hillary or Obama? Maybe some, but not all?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:37 AM
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29. There's hope of getting to the convention where there's a significant block of
Un-committed voters, even if he doesn't win SC. I mean, I HOPE he wins SC too, but if he doesn't that's definitely NOT the end of it. However many delegates he picks up along the way belong to him and the Un-Committeds could be very important as the other two candidates fractionate the delegates that The Machine produces for them.

Solidarity, robbedvoter!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:38 AM
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9. It doesn't really look like he's going to start to fight, either.
Edwards has to win, and more than once, to keep his campaign alive. Distant 3rd place finishes have left him in the cold.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:57 AM
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12. So you think he is going to come in a distant third?
Maybe and maybe not?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:11 AM
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16. Maybe, maybe not. But he's in a hole, no question about it.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:06 AM
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14. Distant third place finishes?
He came in second in Iowa. I guess you watch too much media to remember that.

Oh, and how many states have voted?

Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada. That makes three.

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:12 AM
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17. Actually, it's probably that I watch too little.
My mistake on Iowa. The point remains though - he needs a win, and very soon. Nothing else will do.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:15 AM
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18. Would second place in SC be considered a win for him?
Since most people anticipate him finishing a "distant third"?
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:36 AM
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28. I think so. What do you think?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:40 AM
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30. It might get him some attention..
for a while. Still a couple of weeks until Super Tuesday, so it could help him with voters that are not yet decided on Obama or Hillary, and there are some.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:46 PM
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31. I'm not talking about "most people" or "expectations".
He needs a win, as in first place, as in nothing-else-will-do.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
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32. SC is no more "average" America than is Iowa...
He doesn't have to win there. The cards are stacked against him. However, he would need to win somewhere if he wants to maintain viability as a Presidential candidate. But, he could determine who the next President might be even if he doesn't win one primary?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:19 PM
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33. Oh, hey, I mean, I think this staggered primary business is outdated.
I don't think any of the early primary states are very representative, but it is what is. Unfortunately for Edwards, winning=momentum=fundraising=raising expectations and opinions in other states. That's just the way this thing works. Unless he gets a win (aka, first place) under his belt before Super Tuesday, I don't see any way he could win the nomination.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:55 AM
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10. KNPnta
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poppysgal Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:16 AM
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19. Yeah, there is light at the end of the tunnel
I so agree. we are being told by the media that we have two choices. Not so, at last check we still have a choice. I support Edwards because I like his stand on key issues and I will vote for him on "Super Tuesday" but I really believe that he has a growing core group of supporters that are gaining a voice nationally. Even though he hasn't accepted huge donations by corps or is owned in anyway by special interest groups and therefor does not have the campaign funds that HC or BO have he is gaining support daily by a growing number of folks that believe that our votes will count.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:19 AM
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20. No other Edwards supporter will answer.......perhaps you will
Which primaries do you think John will win?

Win being come in first, by the way.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:25 AM
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21. He may win Oklahoma...
Or he could do well or win in several other states if Obama or Hillary lose their momentum. Everybody has not made up their minds to vote for Obama or Hillary, as have most folks here at DU. The polls could change overnight, just like they did in New Hampshire. It doesn't help that the media has written off Edwards at this time, after just 3 or 4 states have voted. That may be enough evidence for some but there are others that wish to see a little more support before coronating a king or queen.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:30 AM
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24. None. But his winning SC will settle this primary faster rather than later.
Just like a Hillary win would. They are all within the realm of possibilities - forget the polls.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:39 PM
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34. Edwards!
NEVER SURRENDER!
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:42 PM
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35. I Hope that he comes in under the radar. n/t
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