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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:30 PM
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Hillary campaign points out Obama praised Republicans for what he credits himself with
Sen. Obama Repeatedly Touts His Candidacy As 'Challenging Conventional Wisdom'

The Obama campaign insists that when Sen. Obama said the Republicans were the "party of ideas" who were "challenging conventional wisdom" it wasn't a compliment. Here's a line from the South Carolina debate:

Sen. Obama: Hillary, we just had the tape. You just said that I complimented the Republican ideas. That is not true.

However, Sen. Obama repeatedly uses the concept of challenging conventional wisdom as the rationale for his candidacy. Here are a few examples:

Obama: ‘I'm not running to uphold conventional wisdom. I'm running to change the conventional wisdom.’ “Presidential candidate Barack Obama told nearly 6,000 people at Arizona State University Friday that the country needs a change of leadership. ‘We don't need somebody who knows how to work the system. We need somebody to change the system,’ he said. ‘I'm not running to uphold conventional wisdom. I'm running to change the conventional wisdom.’”

Obama: ‘It's time to get off of the conventional wisdom and try something new….And that's what we're going to do in the Obama administration.’ Obama called for breaking with the politics as usual and putting the common interests of Americans first. ‘It's time to get off of the conventional wisdom and try something new,’ the Democratic presidential hopeful told a crowd of more than 500 people at Roosevelt Middle School in northwest Cedar Rapids this morning. ‘And that's what we're going to do in the Obama administration.’

Obama’s Campaign Manager: ‘This grassroots movement for change will not be deterred by Washington conventional wisdom because in many ways it is built to challenge it.’ "Many in Washington have spent the last weeks declaring the outcome of this race to be pre-ordained, and the primary process a mere formality," said Obama for America Campaign Manager David Plouffe. "Yet, in this quarter alone, 93,000 more Americans joined our campaign, because they desire real change and believe Barack Obama is the one candidate who can deliver it. This grassroots movement for change will not be deterred by Washington conventional wisdom because in many ways it is built to challenge it."

Obama: ‘I've been trying to challenge some conventional wisdom….And the purveyors of conventional wisdom have gotten uncomfortable.’“I've been trying to challenge some conventional wisdom," Obama said. "And the purveyors of conventional wisdom have gotten uncomfortable. I don't mind that discomfort. I think our foreign policy is all messed up."

Obama: ‘It's time to turn the page on Washington's conventional wisdom.’ “It's time to turn the page on the diplomacy of tough talk and no action. It's time to turn the page on Washington's conventional wisdom that agreement must be reached before you meet, that talking to other countries is some kind of reward, and that Presidents can only meet with people who will tell them what they want to hear.”

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:38 PM
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1. Conventional wisdom says that he's being chosen by the media
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 02:39 PM by Cronus Protagonist
To be shot down in flames in the general. If we go against conventional wisdom, he should not be our candidate. If we go with conventional wisdom, we'll once more snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Welcome President McCain. ugh :(
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:41 PM
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2. The evidence shows this
Whether media coverage of the candidates was positive or negative.

Obama: 47% positive, 16% negative.
Clinton: 27% positive, 38% negative.
McCain: 12% positive, 48% negative
Giuliani: 28% positive, 37% negative
JDNE

Net numbers

Obama +31
Giuliani -9
Clinton -11
McCain -36
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:49 PM
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6. You're looking at extremely short term for Obama
The others have been around for awhile.

MSM has been working on Hillary's negatives since we first heard her name.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:50 PM
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7. Those aren't favorable numbers but media coverage figures
Obama, as the numbers show, is the favorite of the media.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:56 PM
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9. I don't get it
Were the numbers you cited polled?

I agree that media brainwashing pretty much determines the positives and negatives; you seemed to be saying that the numbers were from the American people.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:05 PM
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12. Not polls results. Statistics of media coverage.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:59 PM
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10. Wow! I knew Obama is the favorite Dem - didn't realize they coddle him over
some of the GOP-ers. I wonder where Mitt fits in all that.
Of course, I hope Obama supporters know the honeymoon ends nomination time - and whichever bad GOP-er takes it is immediately beatified!
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:42 PM
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3. I think he's trying to run as the anti-Reagan. Same concept, different side of the aisle.
The problem seems to be that the differences haven't been accentuated enough.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:44 PM
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4. I thought you were an Edwards supporter.
Why are you now living in hillaryhubub land?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:03 PM
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11. I thought Edwards had the same feelings on the Reagan love. Besides.
it hit hard enough with a lot of people to make them revise their priorities. (I used to like Obama before that)
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:45 PM
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5. So you're agreeing she was wrong, and that he wants to challenge conventional wisdom.
Thanks!
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:52 PM
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8. We can't not agree that he SAYS he wants to
and that he was complimenting Reagan to bolster his empty slogan.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:15 PM
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13. Are you f'ing kidding me? This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments
I've seen in a while. Rather than cite any specific republican policies that Obama agrees with, like implementing a "trick"-le down economics, the "republican idea" that Hillary claims Obama is endorsing is "Challenging conventional Wisdom". When the F*@! did this become a "republican idea"? What in the world would make anyone over in the Clinton camp think it would be a good idea to try to paint it as a "republican idea" for the sole purpose of claiming Obama is lying?
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