Hillary talks directly to gay teens: "WE VALUE YOU"

"and we want you to feel accepted and respected in your community and you will certainly have a President who feels that way."



http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Asking_Hillary.html

Go to approximately 3:40 into the interview. Or watch the entire thing. It's quite enlightening.

I really don't know; it's a sincere question.

Supports civil unions. Says it's a state issue.

but is not opposed to states delivering on marriage.

I think she's saying she's fine with it but she is acknowledging that that's a harder thing to deliver on. She's not opposed to same sex marriage.

Edwards and Obama, on the other hand, also say they support civil unions but are opposed to same sex marriage.

Think "dominos" (not the pizza kind) One falls the others go with it.

like Obama and Edwards

not a single one.

:eyes:

:P

In fact, the AFA asshats boycotted them into revoking their support for LGBTs, which goes to show you how powerful their bigot following is.

It must be wonderful to live somewhere where you have a choice in shopping. I have to drive an hour to shop anywhere other than Walmart or a Kroger grocery store.

Have you been in the clothing section within the last few years? (Don't get all PC on me...you have to go into Wal-Mart SOMETIME, because no one else sells a wireless internet card at 3 AM but them.)

They have NOTHING there that's attractive to gays. All the clothes are these mass-produced Indian crap with American labels on them, that look like they were styled in 1955. And the underwear, for men and women, are made of some kind of synthetic burlap that must be made from reprocessed poisonous discarded plastic waste. You end up scratching your genitals bloody from wearing that stuff. Genitals are VERY important to gays, not so much to guys who can't develop a relationship with anybody, like me. For me, scratchy underwear is the most action I can ever get.

:wtf:

Actually, I don't, but someone who does tells me. I wouldn't watch it, because my own sex life is depressing enough without having to hear about the depressions of other people's.

F*ck cynical replies it means something and it's a start!

Got it?

Good for her- it means a lot to young gays.

Enough of the eight years of gay bashing and hate mongering.

Got my vote now.

when talking about the GLBT community. She has been surrounded by and friends with our community since she was an undergrad. She does not have an ounce of homophobia in her body - she never has.

Democratic candidates have, and Elizabeth Edwards most of all. Elizabeth thinks gays should be allowed to get married.
BTW, Richard Mellon Scaife believes his gay friends should be free to get married.

please let me know what other candidates have addressed this topic.

And what does Richard Melon Scaife have to do with anything?

I said so.

on Capitol Hill.

Funny how some hypocrites never bother to mention that though.

I'll be sure to give him his props. I've been hoping he would do it ever since McClurkin.

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does it in the dark it's fine with you.

Hypocrite.

I don't really mind Senator Clinton doing her pandering on the DL and showing her respect for the GLBT community publicly and directly. She is a politician, not a saint.

Unfortunately, Senator Obama does the opposite.

posts will be taken seriously.

.... to this part:


>>>She also talks to black evangelist homophobes to garner their support >>>>

crickets chirping...

pandering to homophobic bigots is just ducky aparently...

I'm not talking about including us in a list of sinners during a speech at a church, or talking to straight people about how they should "embrace" us.

Have Senator Obama and John Edwards ever done something like this?

She's not afraid to be completely behind gay teens in that quote.

acknowledges that civil unions are more expedient.

"acceptance and respect" instead of "tolerance."

feel they have made a bad choice.

you can always listen to one of his featured bigoted speakers if you have doubts...

he will set you "straight" aparently...

now I wonder when he will "reach out" to the racists...

crickets chirping...

K&R:kick::kick:

She has gotten "it" regarding gays for many years.

:thumbsup:
:hi:

I now support her. She is my candidate.

welcome to the bright side :)

(if he has, I'd really love a link)

Sincere props to Hillary.:thumbsup:

Seriously, just say LG teens. I am so sick of being invisible.

a la Obama events.

Don't misniform, please.

If she becomes President.

I don't think she'll intimidated by the Pentagon at all.

Terry, cautiously stepping into optimisticland.

... http://visiblevote08.logoonline.com/">does she really think teens don't know about her videotaped answers at the Visible Vote forum?

- Dave

That just links to a blog - I searched around for what you might be talking about, which is here: http://visiblevote08.logoonline.com/2007/08/10/video-hillary-clinton-rewind/ Clinton appeared at a Human Rights Campaign forum to speak about LGBT issues. The interview is very informative; and I don't see anything there that contradicts what HRC said in the Youtube video. She talks about ending intolerance & hate, promoting respect, rescinding Don't Ask Don't Tell, the DOMA & other discriminatory laws. She wants full support for civil unions, but states that the issue of gay marriage should be left to the states to decide. I liked her closing statement - that she approaches this issue not as a lawyer, or a politician, but as a friend to many in the gay community. She's not perfect, but she's made more of a statement than either Edwards or Obama.

... and it's quite easy to find all the candidates' video segments, as well as the full array of VisibleVote features there.

It's not all about Hillary.

- Dave

I was just suggesting a better link that goes to the page w/the HRC interview. In your post, you implied that the interview contradicts or undermines what she said in the Youtube video, but I didn't see that at all. She even used the same theme of "respect and acceptance" & outlined positions that are more favorable to gays than either Obama or Edwards have offered.

DOMA, DADT!

Or any actual people at all, I'm convinced.

Just snarky accusations.

Don't confuse HRC with Bill Clinton.

How many 16 year old GLBT Americans are enlisting or engaged? Probably considerably less than the number who are homeless or bullied in school or considering suicide.

Hillary is just using another constituency for votes.

Will she abolish DOMA? Nope. Will she she abolish "Don't Ask, Don't Tell?" Absolutely not!

And your defense of IG, like IG's post, shows zero interest or concern for the real gay kids out there.

Do you know any gay teens?

If you don't know what you're talking about, then go to hell!

that has a disproportionate share of gay teens, yeah, I know something about gay teens.

So you can take your load of BS and wallow in it.

You are the reason the black community and the gay community will never get along.

You make assumptions about people that are false.

If you truly believe that one woman will make a difference then go right ahead, I won't stand in your way.

Though how I'm "the reason the black community and the gay community will never get along" is a mystery.

In fact the very idea that "the black community and the gay community will never get along" is news to me. I wonder why you say such things.

the "gay community and the black community" will never get along is you.

The service organization where I spend time counseling gay kids is multi racial - you and your divisive pitch would not do well there.

You seem to be very angry that a woman you loathe is saying things about an ignored community that are very courageous for a presidential candidate to say.

Read this thread. She obviously touched a very deep, genuine chord with a lot of us.

But instead of respecting that, instead you condescend and try to tell us that you, a heterosexual, have better radar for detecting authentic gay friendly candidates than we do.

You're not credible.

and get back to me

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4141581

This reminds me of why I favored Tsongas and Dean as both took on these issues head on. This video actually pushes me into her camp. I have been that depressed, ashamed, kid who was suicidal. That is why I am advising the GSA, I don't want to know someone went through it again, feeling alone. Great for Hillary.

she has impressed me as well.

:-)

the announcement played during class yesterday to some giggles but no overtly rude comments. I really look forward to getting this moving but the kids deserve the credit, not I.

I also know the risk to you is in some ways greater. So I'm just thinking good for you all. :-)

but I really don't feel risk as much as liberated. I can defend both my professional and my personal conduct if it comes to that. Like anyone, I have made mistakes. But, I know that in totallity, I did the right thing. The kids are doing the right thing here too. I am so proud of them.

I'm sort of cynical about the candidates and their attitudes towards GLBT people and our concerns. But I was surprised by this...it sounded like she's put a lot of thought into this. I was also taken by the use of the word "acceptance" in her remarks.

I'm pleasantly surprised by this. Good for her.

Hillary is a youth advocate at heart, it is her roots. I am sure she has thought a lot about this and it seems like she backs her words with real support. I think she really gets it.

I'm impressed, listening to her remarks, how genuine her words were. It wasn't "I have a strong record on GLBT issues". I believe she has given some thought to the issues faced by gay teens. I was impressed hearing her words.

K&R

It's not just the words, but the sincerity on her face. She means this, & she does care.

Jesus. And folks say that "you're likeable enough" was condescending.

She opposes same-sex marriage, while granting states the power to ban or legalize it. to her credit, she says she supports civil unions and repealing the relevant part of the DOMA (haven't seen any action from her yet on either front).

Here's her spin: http://visiblevote08.logoonline.com/2007/08/10/video-the-candidates-on-gay-marriage/

is one of the strategies many gays agree with.

I don't think that that's what she actually believes, and as with Edwards and Obama, I'm disappointed that she still feels she has to pander.

I would like to see her do something about civil unions, even if she still drags her feet on marriage equality. I believe, for the most part, she's fine with the way things are, and wishes people would stop asking her to lead on these issues. Her weak attempt at sleight-of-hand in the LOGO video was pathetic.

feelings on things we can't know.

I think she does care about this, and about marriage equality. Certainly she's politically sensitive - but so are gay groups who often differ on approach.

...but I don't like the compromise she thinks she has to make. It's fine, of course, for same-sex couples and individuals who are also content to slow-walk the issue, but all the pretending up until the day All God's Chilluns Got Shoes bugs the snot out of me. For those who want their rights now, they must be content as second-class citizens. For the time being.

It's a civil rights issue, to be sure, though Hillary's campaign site relegates it to "social issues" instead.

Ooops, I must have logged on to DU in bizarro world.

I know what my answer would have been when I was in high school.

But seriously, there's no way to paint opposition to same-sex marriage as a good thing, and most kids are smart enough to realize what awaits them as adults in a world run by the foot- (or knuckle-) draggers.

I'll applaud anything good that she manages to accomplish for GLBT citizens of any age, if it ever happens. For now, opposing equal marriage rights undercuts her allegedly liberal views.

Thank you Hillary!

:-)

He thinks for himself :)

Congrats, you do Hillary proud.

any race?

Attack the messenger...smear him, accuse him of being a sellout...find a way to bring race into it...

Yup, you're definately a Clinton supporter.

You're confused again.

Man, the Kool Aid must be strong in Hillaryland.

Again, his extrapolation of facts is opinion. And there's no poin in arguing opinions with someone who doesn't really care about the issue of gay teens anyway except as a means to snark about Hillary.

If you had the least bit of concern for the issue I'd happily discuss it with you. But you don't, as evidenced by your approach.

I recognize that to you these kids' lives are just material for scoring points on a message board, but for me they're something different and I'm not looking to play snark games with their lives.

Hillary and Bill have triangulated and sold out the GLBT community far more than Obama ever has. Obama had a homophobe headline a fundraiser while Bill and Hillary gave us DOMA and DADT. Objectively, one can't even compare the two. Your professed compassion for these teens is little more than a cynical, thinly-veiled attempt to march in lockstep for your candidate. They're simply props in Hillary's "say anthing to win" strategy.

I'm not holding my breath.

Typical.

We can't afford to be as cavalier as you are with it.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Hillary and Bill triangulated on gay issues the first time. Now, she wants another 8 years so she can re-triangulate those triangulations. Good luck with that.

we agree or not.

At this time it's abundantly clear that you're just trying to score political points with something that for me is a real, not simply an academic or political, matter.

and not scoring cheap political points. :eyes:

trying to downplay those concerns or giving BS responses, maybe we wouldn't need to repeat it.

But I've seen plenty of threads where it's used as nothing but a sledgehammer. Most of the time, it's thrown out over topics that have nothing to do with gay issues. Don't be disingenuous.

gay issues or even consider them real issues.

as serious debate topics. Most of the people bringing them into the debate on GLBT rights are Obamatons trying to score cheap political points by claiming "Hillary does it too!" whenever anyone criticizes Saint Barack.

choices by using the most facile comparisons with Hillary.

If President Obama was in office during the time of DOMA and DADT, and given the political realities of the time....a furor over lifting the ban on gay men and lesbians in the military (with the Pentagon in open revolt of lifting the ban) and talk of a federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage...would an Obama adminstration have done things any differently?

I'm not trying to be antagonistic. Nor am I downplaying how awful DOMA and DADT are. But I just wonder if any Democratic administration would have acted any differently given the circumstances.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4137047

This is the Log Cabinite who has defended antigay hypocrites like Richard Curtis and gave Jeff Gannon a column at the Washington Blade. The column was immediately revoked by Crain's successor when Crain moved to Brazil, patriot that he is. Check your sources before you try the "more reasonable voices differ" gambit to delegitimize people's legitimate concerns.

is the same as the other Dem. candidates. Which is the Dem. Party Platform position.

No difference. And it AIN'T in favor of sanctioning gay marriage on a national scale.

On the scale of all issues, how important are these to you?

I don't see it as "I feel your pain" at all.

at school and are considering suicide?

I remember Neel Lattimore, Hillary's press secretary in the WH, talking about his relationship with the then first lady. He said that when he got the job he approached Hillary and told her that he was gay and that if it came out he didn't want to cause embarrassment to the president. Hillary responded that it didn't matter whatsoever. Furthermore, when Hillary knew that unattached gay men would be present at social functions, she would give Neel a heads up and try to play matchmaker (just as she did with her single women staffers).

Neel also said that one time he mentioned to her that he didn't have many gay role models. Hillary told him that if he needed any role models that she would give him a list of people that he could contact. Years later, when she was running for the senate, Neel held a fundraiser for her attended by 500 G&L supporters. He pointed to these people and said to her: "These are my mentors". According to Neel, Hillary whispered "Oh, Neel" while tears filled her eyes.

One more reason why I love this lady and I'm not even gay!!!!!!!!

No denying DOMA was a dreadful blow. But there were many positive strides for gays in the Clinton administration.

Shucks, wasn't that Defense of Marriage Act great! What a value!

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/zulchzulu/101

you, you could try to find out.

Following the Clintons from AG through Governor of Arkansas to the WH I can say first hand they are very in favor of the rights of GLBT's. When he ran for office in Arkansas the GLBT's rallied around him, hosted fund raisers, supported there time at the phone banks. When he ran for president they did the same thing again in Arkansas. So yes, I can say Hillary's position is very favorable among all GLBT's.

GLBT teenagers who are bullied, homeless, or considering suicide? Will marriage equality help 16 year olds in any way?