Hillary insults Michigan Democrats...

She has decided to push for Michigan delegates to be seated. The ballot didn't have the two other front runners on it. The voters had little to no access to the candidates since none were campaigning there. The voters were told by the DNC their vote was for NO delegates. No doubt all of the above hurt what could have been a much bigger turnout. Hillary is insulting MI democrats by telling them that the election that they were told was for one thing...turned out to count for something else. That IS NOT democracy. MI voters have a right to know if their votes are going to count for the nomination BEFORE the election. If Clinton cares for MI and FL voters she should call for both to hold elections a few months from now so that ALL of the candidates can campaign, so that voters and potential voters can know ahead of time that they are voting for actual delegates.

Did you know?

Their behavior in this contest so far has been undemocratic and unDemocratic.

wanting to enfranchise voters is SOOO un-Democratic.

well ...maybe your not.

to know the difference between "your" and "you're".

play nice.

Enfrachising voters is allowing the delegates to be awarded based on the results of a fair election. The MI election was not a fair election. The voters were told ahead of time that the results would not be counted.

could not even write in a candidate in the state. This is a disgrace, not just on hillary's part but also on the party in Michigan.

It is shameful. What hillary is doing is just wrong.

:rofl:

HRC will do alot to win, but have you been paying attention to Obama and his need to when at all costs? Just wondering because you seem to support Obama.

that's what happens when you're a slacker.

Certainly not willing to risk taking an early loss. Much better to be able to say, it doesn't matter because I wasn't on the ballot and no delegates were awarded anyway.

It was a good tactical move by Obama. Just as trying to get the delegates counted now is a good strategic move by Hillary. Even if she doesn't get them, she will make a lot of MI and FL voters happier. This could become very important at some point.

does that trick also.

...and they did real well - coming in second.

Uh, have your people call mine and we will work something out for proportional allocation of the uncommitted delegates. Or Obama and Edwards could cut cards.

(You cannot drum up new elections whenever you feel like it. Who will pay for the election)?

just because it would benifit your candidate. They were told the vote meant 0 delegates. So it MUST mean 0 delegates. You can't up and decided how people would have voted had the voters been told that it WAS for delegates.

when there was no rule that demanded they do so, they should be penalized for their stupidity. This is a Presidential race...stop all your whine~ing. The Michigan voters, voted. Senator Clinton won. Get over it.:hi:

you like her or not. In fact, we might as well change the name of the country to Hillaryland because everyone is now, officially, forced to worship Hillary.

taken care of before the GE. I think the issue of the delegates and the disenfranchisement of MI and FL voters is still to be settled. The voters of those states should have a say in who is President. Can't we all just get along?

voting for delegates. you can't all of a sudden decide that those who decided to vote for the heck of it get to decide that delegates for the rest of the Dems who would have shown up to vote if they knew there were going to be delegates.

regardless, let's all see how this develops. The voters of Michigan and Florida have been dis~enfranchised and that will have blow back in the GE.

the earlier vote wasn't for delegates. More would have shown up to vote if they knew it was going to count for delegates. Does no one get this? They were told that their votes were NOT going to choose delegates. Now because Clinton liked the results she is trying to claim that the election was a legitimate election for delegates when it wasn't.

by not removing her name from the ballot when
the other candidates followed through with their
pledges to not participate in the Michigan primary.

The Clinton camp counts on the stupidity and
ignorance of the voters.

They seldom underestimate.

Sometimes they get caught though.

Just like the other bad guys.

He took his name off the ballot, and convinced some of the other candidates to do so as well, because he knew he would not do well in Michigan if he did not campaign there. Clinton chose not to, probably because she knew she would do well.

Point is, neither one has broken any rules. The DNC agreement doesn't say anything about keeping your name on the ballot.

And you know, the people of MI either chose to vote for Hillary, or for undecided, or for one of the other candidates who left their name on, or not to vote at all. They all had the opportunity to make a choice. Maybe not an ideal choice, but whose fault is that? Not Hillary's.

The fact is, trying to get MI and FL delegates seated is a smart move for Hillary, even if they never are. If she wins the nomination, she can say to them, "I fought for your votes to be counted." What will Obama say? "Your votes don't mean shit"?

Do you really want to go into the general election with MI and FL in the red column?

This just concerns the Democratic convention.

A lot of FL Democrats are threatening to vote for a Republican in the GE. They feel disenfranchise by the Democratic Party. I can only assume some Michigan Dems feel similarly.

If we don't seat their delegations at the convention, the GOP will use it again us. You can take that to the bank. If our nominee can claim she stood up for their rights, we may have a chance of averting catastrophe.

FL is always an important swing state. MI is usually pretty blue, but if Romney is Repub nominee, it will be up for grabs too.

We are mad at our LEGISLATORS for fucking us over.

No one I know is thinking of voting for a republican
because Obama and Edwards didn't campaign here.

:crazy:

Read MadFloridians journal if you want the FACTS about
Florida and subsequent Michigan piggybacking.

Say what you like about how people feel now. If the delegations are not seated, the GOP will use it against us. Our nominee had better be able to answer them.

I'm really not interested in anything madfloridian has to say on the subject. If Howard Dean told Florida to eat shit and die, she's find some way to claim it was the state's fault.

then there is really not any good reason to continue
this exchange.

Let me know when you find some.

I'm telling you what will happen. You know it's true, but you'd rather spout Hillary-hate.

Go for it. It won't matter soon enough.

Now I KNOW!

When you resort to name-calling personal insults, I have to wonder.

Your attitude calls for nothing less.

......but whose fault is that? Not Hillary's.

asked that people vote uncommitted. It was a huge campaign lots of $ and advertising...who would benefit? Who paid for the ads? Who is NOT covering the story?

If Obama were ahead in those states, he would be suggesting that the voters deserve NOT to be disinfranchised...when Obama is behind, Clinton is evil for suggesting that voters not be disinfranchised.

more double standard.

filed to be removed from the ballot because they
had pledged to NOT PARTICIPATE in the primary.
Kucinich was kept on by a technicality.


DLC candidates Clinton and Dodd left their names
on (and Gravel).

The MDP advertised that write-in votes would be
destroyed, and that the candidates who had honored
their pledges to not participate were urging people
to vote "uncommitted" in the chance that delegates
might be seated.

Give me some more DLC please. :rofl:

'Course, you don't answer the question of who paid for the ad campaign. They tried to embarrass Hillary and failed. Miserably.

Just like we pay for every announcement.

:rofl:

:crazy:

Hillary has shamed and embarrassed herself.

Is she crazy? SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO DIDN'T RESPECT THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP'S POSITION ON THIS.

Oh, sorry... my caps lock got stuck.

sat by and let the voters be disenfranchised.!!

to be seated after the election?

What did she mean by that?

Say you and I were running for class president, and we made
a pact that we would not run because the principal was moving
lunch up to 9:00.

I take my name off the ballot, so does Susie.
You quietly leave yours on. Voting time comes
around.... yours is the only name on the ballot
so YOU WIN.

You also SUCK.

Everyone knows it, too.

No matter HOW you spin it.

Pyrrhic victory.

No one is buying the BULLSHIT LINE that "she was the only one who
cared about Michigan".

She knew she wasn't getting labor's endorsement here in Michigan --
being the only name on the ballot was her only change of winning
big here. And even THEN 40 % voted uncommitted.

that the party would seat the delegates
when it actually comes down to it.

We'll see what happens.

I just don't like to see
"demands". Should be interesting!