This FUCKING feigned outrage re: "Pookie & Ray Ray" is a GOD DAMNED insult to African Americans

I'm sick of this shit, I'm fucking sick of this god damned bullshit. Don't some people have anything better to do with their miserable god damned lives that to try to and stoke some more racial bullshit with their feigned outrage over Obama's use of the names "Pookie and Ray, Ray?"

This shit has moved beyond disgusting and those of you advancing this shit should fucking ashamed of yourselves, you are looking to create a fucking divisive controversy where non exists? And why would you do that? To win a god damned election!!!

Those pushing this shit are not GOD DAMNED RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE SHITHEADS, but Democrats, many of them DUers.

I'm just sick of this shit. What some motherfuckers won't do to win the god damned war of words on a damned website is just fucking appalling.

Obama's use of "Pookie and Ray Ray" is nothing but his ability to connect with other Black folk, and some motherfuckers are threatened by it. FUCKING THREATENED BY IT!

Hillary has often times used her gender to connect with other women and there is no outrage and there shouldn't be.

As an African American there are so many real issues involving race that need to be discussed not this bullshit stoke to inflame the DU.

Let it go. This is going to be a good day.

Ignore is your friend. :hi:

The point is i think, its not appropriate language, even if he is black, if a white candidate had said that, people would be screaming for blood. He's reinforcing silly stereotypes, shame on him doing it.

invoke? Let's discuss this.

(Newark, NJ) Pookie and Ray Ray are just our relatives and friends whomever they are. But usually, Pookie and Ray Ray may be more interested in watching a game on the widescreen, hanging out at the mall or partying on Saturday night than going to church or being politically active. Lots of preachers use those names when they tell parishioners to make sure to bring Pookie and Ray Ray to church on friends and family day. Or make sure to get Pookie and Ray-Ray to the voting booth. That's where it originated in my book.

I will agree with you about the "happy happy" part. I think Pookie and Ray-Ray are generally your happy-go-lucky types.

I will say it again, POOKIE is a nickbame that has been around for at least 100 years.

All the Pookie's that I know are not "happy go lucky."

Just as all those named GEORGE are not idiots like the President.

thought was Teletubbies or some such.

They sound like the names of Teddy Bears (wasn't Garfield's toy bear called "Pookie"?). Most of my patients and half of my colleagues were African American, and I never met one called Pookie or Ray Ray! Maybe I'm just living in the wrong part of the South.

Don't you fucking tell me what the hell appropriate language is. I would used it as well. Many of us do things amongst our own people that people not in our various identity groups would ever identify with or understand. Its not like he was attacking another identity group.

They think that "Pookie" and "Ray-Ray" are negative stereotypes but they can't even tell you what the negative stereotype is.....oh! Other than that they know when they hear those names, black folks are being discussed. They have a serious problem with black folks in general if this freaks them out.

. . .these sorry motherfuckers.

My african american next door neighbor is totally cracking up over this whole thing. His given name is Marion, but he has always been called "Pookie"...and has chosen to keep that great nick name even as an adult. My choice, as is Pookie's, is Edwards. so...just saying.

to laugh at. He was playing WITH the idea of getting out the black vote and loving up the black community at the same time.

I got called out once by someone here for calling Latinos "jalapenos". It was a term of endearment but that poster was oh, so sure, that I was using a racial slur.

It's the context, people.

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not to talk about "race" in any way. We suck at it and we don't even know it.

We don't know the different between "playing the race card" and TALKING.

Estupidos!

"...layabout kin who, if endearing, is also a source of some embarrassment and consternation to his more successful relations."

I doubt it.

:yourock:

there hasn't been ONE decent discussion on race here - it's all bullshit like this.

I'm not getting how that is racial in the least bit.

:shrug:

. . .its a joke that all of my friends white, Black, Asian and Hispanic laugh at.

I remember my mother used to name our cars. :)

where there is none.
:hi:


"Don't go looking for trouble, trouble will find you
touble will find you,
deaf dumb and blind you-
don't go lookin for trouble
trouble will find you
there's trouble in your own back yard..."

thanks

lol

lol

At first I thought it was an "I love Lucy" ref. :)

:silly:

Or, my son hearing, "Now approaching Russel's Furniture. Prepare to disembark!" as

"Prepare to p!ss and b@rf!" when we took Dad to work.

This is California, after all. :rofl:

keep us sane, and know how to make us laugh.

Gonna go spend some time with my "little guy"-

(he's 14 :o )

I'm thinking DU will still be here when I get back.

:hi:

peace~

Have a great time. :)

My kid used to say "Mashes of tatoes"

"sweetie tables." (Sweet potatoes.)

I'm no aware of anyone expressing outrage over anything.

This race thing is being made up by the media.

And to keep our powder dry on this issue until such time as it will do more good than drive people away from Obama.

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I keep reading different answers to that question.

:rofl:

:hi:

proof of being a Democrat.

In fact, MANY people come here as double and triple agents, posting often with feigned outrage over this or that . . . . (??) . . . in order to have some kind of effect on one or more other candidates. Surely, you know this and you didn't really intend to sound so naive.

You underestimate the intelligence of others. Let's get back to the Real Issues, please.

So right on wndycty.

If you believe otherwise, the blinders might be a little too tight.

Have you already forgotten the massive overblown hysteria that was DU's reaction to the "crying" incident?

How about all of the bullshit about how she can't stand on her own two feet? She needs her man to support her.

I agree with you that the Pookie event is being overblown, but claiming that Obama is the only target of hyperbolic hysteria on DU is utterly ludicrous.

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The problem with the "Pookie" incident is that it's all about interpretation. Words have different meanings, a fact that a lot of DU has difficulty comprehending at times.

To some, there *could* be a racial aspect. Someone posted this link, for example: http://newblackman.blogspot.com/2007/03/can-pookie-nay-nay-get-some-love.html

To others, it's completely innocuous, silly, and so on.

What DUers then tend to do is assume that there is only one correct interpretation - their own. Nobody wants to consider alternatives or look at the situation in context.

Do I think that there is a racial element to one particular definition of the word "Pookie"? Sure, and apparently, so do others.

Do I think that Obama used it to be racist? Of course not.

and without anyone calling anyone racist. Now, it did not occur to me that those names had anything to do with race. I did not get that from it. But, neither did I get race from people saying that Obama is a "young man," or that the fact that it his platform is a fairy tale when his statements do not match his record, nor Clinton's comment on MLK. It did not occur to me that those were racially motivated at all....nor, frankly the brewhaha when Biden suggested that Obama was "articulate." But, I do see how that could be taken as just racially insensitive looking at the historical use of the word.

So. Are blacks and whites overly sensitive? Are they using race to gain votes (feigning outrage) And can there be a black President if we cannot use the same language to describe him that we use to describe Clinton: she is articulate. Until the language is not considered racially charged can there be equality? Can there be a black man held to the same standards as a white man?

And of course the same conversation can be had regarding gender. When Mit Romney cried THREE TIMES in one week not a word was spoken about it. Clinton tears up momentarily, and it is GENDER CARD!!!!!

They are both in precarious positions. Running against a black man with our sensitivity to language, and running against a woman with the sensitivity to language is difficult. Although, I believe it is easier for Obama to criticize Clinton without being called sexist. The same cannot be said for race. Which makes me wonder if it is not being used by Obama: any criticism and he or his surrogates yell RACISM.

I think there is an outside chance that you've missed the point. But I could be wrong.

I don't think so.

not feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot?


I am not aiming my comment so much at the IP, but to posts who jumped on the bandwagon and went along with comments indicating Sen. Clinton's comments in relation to MLK were racial.

I can't keep track.

the consequences of the attitude that Johnson got things done where King only got things felt.

That couldn't be more wrong, especially considering that Johnson was a notorious racist that had King under surveillance.

It was a stupid, disrespectul comment and Clinton should have just copped to it in the first place.

Lyndon Johnson didn't give the black community anything that they didn't fight and die for in the first place and that ANYONE can continue to make that argument is DISGUSTING in the extreme.

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As an African American, with a cousin named Paula that we have always called "Pookie," this is outrageous.

Race relations on this Board is sinking to a new low and that is hard to do.

What is amazing to me is the lack of the ability to learn from those loyal Democrats that happen to be African American.

I have to rub my eyes to make sure that I have click on DU instead of Free Republic.

Shameful

I find myself avoiding this place more and more because I just cant take this bullshit. It blows my mind that there are some people here that hate Obama *so* much that they are willing to attack him over this. Good gawd.

You know, I grew up in NH... but lived in NC for a couple of years. If people think any of this shit is 'racist' then I submit they havent seen what real racism looks like.

Furthermore, Im not "white" but Im also not African American. So I'll trust my AA friends and DU comrades to decide for themselves whats offensive. In fact, I'M offended by white people trying to tell people of color what should upset them. Its just crap. Total crap.

Like you, I'm shocked that this crap come from a Democratic board. Its disgusting.

Like defending Peggy Noonan? Or praising Amy Holmes? Or citing Al Gore-hater Bill Sammon? That kind of substance?

As a more general sidenote: an Obama supporter is lecturing me about substance. (!) :rofl:

can learn SOMETHING.

Maybe that's too high a standard.

for support.

I prefer not to defend the credibility of anti-feminists, homophobes, economic elitists, Republican speechwriters and all-around Democrat-haters. Maybe that's too high a standard.

And, I don't support the Senator.

Obama supporters have relied on the sources I mentioned as much for their conclusions as for their depiction of the facts, and then defended the sources to me, personally, and to others. Facts can also be slanted. Descriptions of persons and events are subject to gross misrepresentation. When a source simply isn't credible, to rely on that source for the "facts" is to perpetuate deception.

But even from the most slanted source one can extract fact. It's called "critical reading".

I'm not talking about citing a RW columnist saying "the sky is blue" in an opinion piece. I'm talking about supporters of a candidate citing opinion by Charles Krauthammer on John Edwards' campaign. I'm talking about the same supporters pointing to Peggy Noonan as an authority on the Democratic Party and then citing her description of Bill Clinton as "trembly" and "red-faced," and THEN defending her to me as "older, wiser, and more thoughtful" than other RWers. I'm talking about the very same supporters cheering on Frist speechwriter and repugnant RW Malkin-wannabe Amy Holmes on Bill Maher. Quoting Bill Sammon, author of such lovely books as "At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election" to support the proposition that Bush is secretly advising Sen. Clinton. And let's not forget our old friend Dick Morris. And on and on.

For God's sake, open your eyes.

critical reading.

Please.

or you would be disturbed by the pattern I just described.

to trained readers. There's no reason to be disturbed if you can read critically.

No make that 110% right. And guess who's doing the stoking? :thumbsdown:

Get a fucking clue! You are the only motherfucker that is stoking this stuff! Quit fucking crying and grow up! Obama was definatly out of line!

. . .just like Obama would be sensitive not to say anything that Hillary could say as a woman or for that matter Edwards could say as a white male. There is a ton of stuff that can come out of each candidates mouth that can't come out of another candidates mouth.

Or, difference?

Or, "people who are not me"?

And yet, they can type.

:rofl:

people would no care about that than Hillary trying to sing-song at black churches.

(I hope it doesn't involve Hillary making an @ss of herself in yet another venue.)

the same kind of cultural deafness you are showing right now.

LOL!

I hope you're walking for Hillary. :hi:

white followers:

"OK, so why don't you gather up Buffy and Biff and Buzzy and Cookie,
go grab all your Kevins, Katherines and a handful of Heathers and pull that lever
for our future together..."

To his Hispanic audience:
"Go grab Jose and Tita, your Juan and Carmelita..."

Would that shut people up, or not?
This is such a non-issue, really.
Nothing to look at here, folks, just keep it moving...

DU rule 3. Civility: Treat other members with respect.

but I don't think now is the time :hi:

:P

The media is trying to sew racial/gender based discord within the Democratic Party. The problem is that we're taking the !#@ bait.

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Thanks for your post WC. :hi:

We'll live.

sfexpat. :hi:

Thanks for the brakes, mzmolly. :hi:

Have fun. :hi:

But I don't know who the hell Pookie is.

:thumbsup:

Can you fill some of us in on the details here?

I just got here & must have missed the latest drama of the day.......but man your language doesn't win any points with me in any point you are trying to make. Calm down.

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"I'm just sick of this shit. What some motherfuckers won't do to win the god damned war of words on a damned website is just fucking appalling." The OP.

Does that include you, OP?

No shit, undercoverduer.

Recommended and thank you for saying it.