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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:47 PM
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Edwards has got to get a new speech going or even people who support him (like me)
are going to start tuning out. I can practically say it along with him, word for word.

Really, John!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:48 PM
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1. It's true. He needs a better speechwriter.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:14 PM
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8. He does not have a speech writer
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:14 PM
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9. It shows. -nt
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:22 PM
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12. He also needs some new patients who were wronged to discuss.
I don't understand why as there are soooo many to chose from. Why the same ole, same ole? Edwards can do a lot better than that. He's not living up to his potential and ability as a trial lawyer. Maybe it's just so hard to change when you're in the midst of the primaries.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:33 AM
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19. Yup. Which reminds me - HEY JOHN, I'M AVAILABLE.
Come out to LA, we'll do lunch.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:52 PM
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2. This was my first
time hearing it. It was a good speech. I was impressed.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:59 PM
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3. The same story, twice in one week on national television (the debate, too), is really bad.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:01 PM
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4. I understand, but should we really be voting against good candidates because
they believe what they say enough to repeat it and not 'play to the crowd'?

Or, because polls indicate they don't have a chance?

Or, because the M$M ignores them?

Or, because 'celebrity of the moment' hasn't endorsed them?

Just when did our voting decisions become determined by 'People Magazine'-like popularity?
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:09 PM
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6. In order to get more votes, he has to hook the interest of people who haven't been intereste
so far. He has an opportunity for free nationwide coverage with a vast audience and should use that
to make his case even more strongly than before, not repeat the same phrases than many people has heard
two or three or four times, verbatim.

He needs to grab every opportunity he has to increase the size of his audience and can only do that by offering
more information and new words.

It shouldn't be such a hard thing to do.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:12 PM
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7. Since the founding of the country. If a candidate is not aware of
that, they are doomed to failure.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:45 PM
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13. And, isn't that just why we find ourselves where we are today?
Sad, that in 200+ years we've learned little, if nothing, at all.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:04 PM
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5. I was just saying that to my wife
Every speech is the same mill worker I met this woman blah blah. Its a good message but it doesn't hold people. It is about negatives all the time. He needs more positive. No one wants to hear about all the bad shit in america we know its out there. We want to hear how it can get better.

I think it is part of why he is not doing better. His message is good his delivery sucks.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:16 PM
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10. I don't find anything wrong with what he says.
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 11:17 PM by Cleita
It's unfortunate that people are swayed by the great orators, but the great oraters don't talk about meat and potatoes, they talk about pie in the sky. Edwards is fine with me. He can be as repititious as he likes because his message is basic meat and potatoes. I think Jesus Christ did the same two thousand years ago. He had a basic message, got killed for it and probably Edwards will too figuratively because his supporters can't even support him.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:18 PM
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11. None of the debates have been on a major TV network yet.
One of my friends who doesn't have cable reminded me of that last night--she wanted to see a debate but doesn't have cable.

So the average American and many people interested in politics have never heard Edwards speak (during the 2008 campaign).

He's probably thinking that it's not repetitive to the vast majority of potential voters.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:52 PM
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14. I agree
Some have argued that he's been so invisible thanks to the media blackout on him, that it makes sense for him to hammer away at his core themes and stories, but the repetition of certain anecdotes could end up narrowing his appeal.

I'd really like to see him go that last step, and go all Howard Beale and take the plunge, throw out the script, and let 'er rip.

___

The Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy, now at my new home: Correntewire.com

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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:12 AM
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21. So would I, and he's capable of speaking well, extemporaneously.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:19 AM
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15. I think we saw the start of a new speech tonight with "I'll be your voice" however
you kind of hear the repetition of speeches from all the candidates in various venues. I wouldn't let that be the basis to tune him out.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:25 AM
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16. He did the same in the 2004 election...
...I got so tired of hearing about his belief in an American where the son of a mill worker could beat the son of a president.

He has a wonderful message, but he shouldn't repeat it verbatim everytime he speaks.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:27 AM
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17. I thought the same thing when I heard him
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 12:29 AM by EffieBlack
It's also not a very effective concession speech for a nationwide audience.

He just sounds mad and throws out a litany of what's wrong, but doesn't say what he's going to do to make it right.

It's starting to remind me of the Dean scream without the scream.

He can and should do better.
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:28 AM
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18. If repeating a simple message was useless, why do corporations spend BILLIONS of dollars on TV ads..
that do nothing but repeat the same phrase or jingle, over and over again, a hundred times a day?

"Please don't squeeze the Charmin!" : a stupid phrase that was one of the most successful advertising campaigns of all time.

However, if listening to Edwards comments really get you down, just remember that "Things go better with coke.".
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:20 AM
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22. you just struck on an important truth. Campaigns & Stump speeches are in fact marketing and ads
And "things go better with coke" is a positive message and marketing campaign.

Edwards marketing and message is negative. He's basically saying "things suck? Buy me to feel better".

Obama is more like "life is beautiful. Buy me to experience that".

I really want a Populist message in this primary season. But Edwards has done a miserable, out-dated job of it.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:41 AM
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20. He did the same thing in 2004, like a touring band playing the exact same set, note for note,
every night. And the speech itself is very monochromatic. It's the same idea repeated over and over.

His speech the night of Iowa barely addressed the present moment before he slipped into an abridged version of his stump speech. Obama gave a speech tonight that was largely different from his stump speech, much of it addressing the battles of the last couple of weeks and the rapidly changing political landscape. I've watched a number of Barack's speeches on Cspan, and he is growing before our eyes. He is developing into a President.

In 2004 Edwards ran as a bright, chirpy guy talking of Two Americas. It seems he decided in 2008 to run as a more polished Howard Dean, but Obama's theme may be more in tune for this moment. The bush/cheney years have left people feeling like they need a good shower to get clean again.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:21 AM
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23. Edwards is running on a shoe string budget and can't afford a speech writer to work with him
Now I have major issues with how Edwards presents his populist message. It's fatally flawed and negative.

But he and all the candidates must be exhausted.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:27 AM
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24. That's when I first starting losing interest in Edwards
The first time I heard him speak in 2004 I started considering him as my back up to Clark because I found what he was saying interesting. But then I tuned in closer. Clark kept being spontaneous - he would go off on any number of interesting tangents during his stump speech when I heard him give it multiple times, while Edwards came closer to a note for note repetition of his. I haven't paid close attention this year. I was hoping Edwards would be less scripted this year. I personally can't say if he is or isn't.
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