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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:18 PM
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The Clintons, Atwater, Rove, and the Future


The Clintons, Atwater, Rove, and the Future

By Reed Hundt | bio

It is certain that the Clintons' thousands of friends are cringing, turning away their attention out of sheer shame, grimacing, as they read the former President's derogatory dismissal of Obama's landslide victory as no different than Jesse Jackson's win there. But it's important to scrutinize what the Clintons are doing and how it might work out.

Most notable about the South Carolina results was that Hillary did not get a majority (based on exits) of any racial or gender-based demographic. She is famous; obviously she has a great deal of money and support from the old guard of the party, such as it is; and she is very well-prepared on policy. But she is not tremendously popular. She was wrong on Iraq; she has little personal record of fighting for a cause; she offers a management-style Presidency as opposed to visionary change.

Most of Hillary's votes appear to come from women, seniors, and lower income voters. These demographic groups could turn to Obama. She has not aroused passionate commitment by them.

Hillary has a tenuous status as the alleged front-runner. This is of course the reason she and her husband are taking the low road in terms of tactics. (Not for a second should anyone think she has not approved her husband's tactics, or that he has run amuck.)

The former President's repeated injections of racial references are unacceptable in modern politics, or even modern society. If he were a commentator on the Golf Channel, he would be asked to resign. We know he is doing this because he believes that there is a racist strain in the groups that Hillary is counting on. In particular he believes he can encourage Latinos in California, New York, and New Jersey to come out to vote against Barack, simply because Barack is African-American. He does not believe he can persuade them to want to vote for Hillary, but hopes they will either not vote, or will vote for anyone but Barack.

Yet the Clintons cannot make the case against Barack based on any policy. This frustrates them. There is not one aspect of Barack's policy arguments that can arouse much desire among any Democrats to vote against him. He was right on Iraq; he is progressive on virtually everything, despite Paul Krugman's irritation that not every economic policy prescription fits Dr. Krugman's preferences.

In effect, the Clintons want people to dislike Obama the same way that some dislike the Clintons: irrationally, with groundless preconceptions, passionately. They both feel stigmatized for no good reason. To them it probably seems fair, or at least simply part of the process, if Barack is also unfairly hated.

Pehaps too the Clintons feel that the Republicans would attack Barack on racial grounds, so it makes no difference if they beat McCain or Romney to this tactic. In any case, the Clintons are going negative because they do not believe they can with a positive message attract more voters to Hillary. They want to drive voters away from Barack; they want his negatives to be as high as theirs.

The Clintons are thus running their own version of the Republican Southern Strategy that worked so well to elect conservatives from Nixon through to the current Bush. Ironically, the Clintons themselves spent their political careers battling against that strategy. Defeating it in the border states in 1992 was central to Bill Clinton's election.

There's no crying in baseball or politics, so let's not shed a tear over the completely unprincipled use of race-baiting language by the former President. He knows his Presidency was marred terribly by the impeachment, and that his record of accomplishment was much less than he hoped it would be. He wants this return to the White House to give him, and Hillary, a chance to rewrite the history book entry on the Clintons. He does not believe his repugnant tactic will be part of that history; he is sure that if and when they get back in power they will accomplish so much that the way they got elected again won't matter.

Indeed, they suppose that in the general election all will be forgotten. Barack will be campaigning with them. Everyone will have a good laugh about the tricks they all pulled to win the primaries. If such amity does not come to exist, still the Clintons believe they can count on blacks to vote for them in the fall no matter what. After all, Bill Clinton has the chutzpah to think of himself as the "black President" so taking that demographic's votes for granted is no stretch of the imagination for him.

But the Clintons' use of the tactics of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove inevitably contributes to the perception that Hillary Clinton is running a campaign that is trapped in the past, where race has always mattered much in elections. That was true in the 80's and 90's. But in the 00's it may not be so. Harold Ford barely lost the Tennessee general election; affirmative action is not one of the big issues of this election cycle; nor is welfare; while race has been the history of America it may not be the future. In any event, even if Obama defeats the Clintons, it is possible that the Clintons' use of the race tactic now will inoculate Obama in the fall. It is possible that the public will see him, may indeed already see him, they way people see Oprah or Denzel Washington or Tiger Woods -- public figures whose race and personal history is certainly well-known, but is not a reason for disapproval, hostility, or even disagreement. (Exit polls in South Carolina reported that about 70% of white voters said they would be satisfied if Obama were the nominee.) If by surviving the Clintons' tactics Obama became that sort of public figure, then he would give Democrats at the top of the ticket a candidate who could produce a landslide not only in the South Carolina primary but also across the country in the general.

This is not a reason to applaud the Clintons' tactic. The Clintons' admirers, of whom I have long been one, still should be consumed with regret that the election has brought Bill and Hillary to make this choice. Howard Dean and others who have been silent should still speak out against what they are doing. The New York Times editorial page should have inveighed against this tactic instead of endorsing Hillary. The Los Angeles Times should speak up. But if Obama overcomes what the Clintons are doing, he may have turned a page in American history and he will certainly be the dream candidate for Democrats this fall.





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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:25 PM
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1. The same few people on DU endlessly post anti-clinton hit opinion
pieces & blog crap. It's absolutely mind numbing shit worthy of Limbaugh or maybe the toxic waste dump.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:30 PM
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2. Did you even read the article?
Or are you just resorting to the tired old ad hominem attack?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:33 PM
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5. More like an ad humus attack.
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 03:33 PM by The_Casual_Observer
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:27 PM
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21. Very cute
Now how about actually reading the article before you open your mouth and shove your foot all the way down to your colon this time?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:31 PM
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4. The author is a long-time Clinton supporter who was appointed FCC chair in
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:34 PM
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6. So what, it's a bullshit smarmy attack. Who cares who wrote it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:37 PM
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8. "bullshit smarmy" was Clinton's comment. n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:39 PM
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9. I know
they spend hours every day scouring the internet to find dogshit against our candidates, and then drag it back on the carpet here.

I can't imagine what motivates such behavior.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:31 PM
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3. Reed Hundt is spewing the "Clinton = Racist" crap.
TPM is nothing more than a left-wing Drudge.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:36 PM
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7. "TPM is nothing more than a left-wing Drudge." Is that true for Washington Monthly too:
OFF THE BUS...

But that said, enough's enough. I don't like dog whistle racial appeals when Republicans do it, and I don't like it when Bill Clinton does it. (And unlike Hillary's MLK/LBJ remark, which was idiotically mischaracterized, don't even try to pretend that this was an innocent remark. We're not children here.) Yes, Obama has to be able to handle this kind of sewage, and yes, this will almost certainly be forgiven and forgotten among Democrats by November. But it's not November yet, is it? My primary is a week from Tuesday, and I'm not feeling very disposed to reward this kind of behavior.


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:41 PM
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11. ProSense, keep doing what you're doing. Those of us who've
been here awhile recognize the legitimacy of the sources you cite; those that want to learn, can. And those that are nothing but negative if it's not in praise of their candidate don't deserve a response, because they'll be negative regardless of what you post and despite the truth.
And thanks for all you do!
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:44 PM
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13. Ditto
~PEACE~
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:04 PM
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14. Ditto... n/t
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:10 PM
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16. Ditto,
:thumbsup:
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:35 PM
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19. Yeah, Mega-dittos
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:36 PM
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20. I agree babylonsister. Good friends allow for disagreement and accept meaningful and
well deserved criticism. Are we a nation of men or a nation of laws and ideas. Clinton needs to heed this advice, the country is at stake. But the way they act its just their chance at power that is at stake. So much for statesmanship.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:39 PM
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10. I love those who think there's an easy solution ... as if Bill Clinton
was attacked for his vices. It was his virtues that made him a target ... and HRC is willing to stand up to the same dark forces toe to toe? That's my girl!
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:43 PM
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12. Good post. Would address a few points...
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 03:48 PM by OmahaBlueDog
<<is possible that the public will see him, may indeed already see him, they way people see Oprah or Denzel Washington or Tiger Woods -- public figures whose race and personal history is certainly well-known, but is not a reason for disapproval, hostility, or even disagreement. (Exit polls in South Carolina reported that about 70% of white voters said they would be satisfied if Obama were the nominee.)>>

I think this is correct. Except for those who are simply against non-whites in any capacity, my sense is that Obama is not viewed in the same way that most whites view Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakahn, etc.

<<But the Clintons' use of the tactics of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove .....now will inoculate Obama in the fall.>>

I wouldn't say innoculate, but it will certainly prepare Obama for the attacks that are bound to come, should he be the nominee. I would compare what Hillary is serving up now as the equivalent of spring training batting practice; in the fall, we'll see live pitching --- complete with knockdown throws.


<<Yet the Clintons cannot make the case against Barack based on any policy. This frustrates them. There is not one aspect of Barack's policy arguments that can arouse much desire among any Democrats to vote against him. He was right on Iraq; he is progressive on virtually everything, despite Paul Krugman's irritation that not every economic policy prescription fits Dr. Krugman's preferences.>>

The Clinton's best argument (and, in some ways, their worst) is experience, and by extension, their ability to get an administration up, running, and functional fast enough to start solving problems. They are making this case, but they are not articulating the benefits well enough.

<<The former President's repeated injections of racial references are unacceptable in modern politics, or even modern society. If he were a commentator on the Golf Channel, he would be asked to resign.>>

Np, I don't think so. He's injected the comments with a degree of plausible deniability that has kept him from being completely roasted by the MSM. In any event, American Politics, like the fabled Thunderdome, have no rules -- except winning and survival and not getting caught.

<<Hillary has a tenuous status as the alleged front-runner.>>

What is clear is that she won't be the nominee (presumptive) on 2/5. This means spending more money fighting Obama then she thought she'd have to spend, and that means less money (should she be nominated) to spend against the GOP. She had banked on a Tsunami Tuesday victory in the same manner that 9u11ani had banked on a Florida victory. A protracted primary campaign was not part of her playbook.

<<After all, Bill Clinton has the chutzpah to think of himself as the "black President" so taking that demographic's votes for granted is no stretch of the imagination for him>>

I'm not certain he really ever thought of himself that way. I will agree he has done nothing to dissuade application of that label.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:09 PM
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15. What it says in the OP:
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 04:11 PM by truedelphi
"In effect, the Clintons want people to dislike Obama the same way that some dislike the Clintons: irrationally, with groundless preconceptions, passionately."

I am sure they do want people to dislike Obama.

But people who don't like the Clintons are basing some of this on what went on Dec 2000 and Novemaber 3rd 2004. If you believe in free elections, with a transperent voting system, and you don't see actions from someone showing similar respect, then the grounds on which you are disliking the person is not irrational.

I will never forgive Hillary for the Carville tactics or the calling down John Edwards on Nov 3rd 2004, for "grandstanding" when he was making it clear that he valued each and every vote.

And while Barbara Boxer brought herself before the Senate to NOT sign off on the Nov 2004 election, Hillary (At least judging by her actions) could have cared less.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:20 PM
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17. This is an interesting assessment
I note the comment about airing things out now to innoculate in the GE.

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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:20 PM
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18. You know I thought the MSM was overboard with the smear tactics
but here I find also that there is unending amounts of smear instead of issues and policies. If HCR is the negative candidate then why is it that so many Democrats feel the need to smear and destroy her image. I voted for Kucinich last time around. he was the only candidate with clean hands. Everyone else has dirt of their hands. HRC, Obama, and Edwards all have some dirt or bad decisions attached to them.

Why the hell are there so many smear attacks on Democrats by Democrats. i think it's fine to show contrast on records. I think it's fine to have heated debates. What drives me crazy though is when we try to destroy the character of democrats.

The Clintons, Obamas, and Edwards at the end of the day are Democrats. Debate not destroy.
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