Clinton to campaign in Florida

Clinton to campaign in Florida

By MIKE GLOVER
Associated Press Writer


MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) -- Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she will go to Florida to assure Democrats that "their voices are heard" and to underscore her commitment to seeing the state's delegation seated at the national convention.

Though the Democratic presidential candidates largely have heeded the national party's request that they not campaign publicly in Florida, Clinton said it's time to pay attention to voters there who are showing heavy interest in Tuesday's primary. Early voting is under way and drawing strong interest, she said.

"Hundreds of thousands of people have already voted in Florida and I want them to know I will be there to be part of what they have tried to do to make sure their voices are heard," Clinton said. She will visit Florida after the polls close to thank supporters, her campaign said.

Clinton met with reporters as she campaigned in Tennessee, one of 22 states with primary contests on Feb. 5, and she sought to shift the focus from her lopsided loss to rival Barack Obama in the South Carolina primary on Saturday to the coming contests.

After Florida moved its primary up to Tuesday in an attempt to play a bigger role in choosing the presidential nominees, the Democratic National Committee said it would refuse to seat the state's delegation at the national convention in late August. But it is expected that the eventual nominee will try to reverse that decision because of Florida's crucial role in the general election.

Clinton already is on record favoring that step.

"I will try to persuade my delegates to seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida," said Clinton, arguing that she was bowing to political reality. "Democrats have to win Michigan and have to try to win Florida and I intend to do that. The people of Florida deserve to be represented in the process of picking a candidate for president of the United States."

Michigan also violated party rules by moving its primary to Jan. 15, and party leaders voted to strip the state of its 156 delegates as punishment.

more...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLINTON?SITE=CONGRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

This do anything to win stuff is getting old.

overturn that deal.

It's pretty simple.

Do you have the wording of the pledge?

Obamites don't want you there because he doesn't have a
prayer in hell in FLA.

HRC knows that we cannot afford to alienate an important state like
FLA. If we do, we'll pay for it in the national election.

making national news that's obviously directed at attempting to sway votes in Florida, as well as asking delegates to be seated where there isn't a fair and open chance for all the candidates to make their case.

If that's what you like in a candidate, go for it.

I don't like that kind of politics. It's why I won't vote for Hillary, period. I won't reward that kind of bullshit, in the primary or in the general. If I moved to NY, I wouldn't vote for her for Senator.

I've just lived through 7 years of this kind of hair splitting dishonesty and lies. I'm not voting for it.

know?

Because you are dishonest too.

Come on, fess up.

so what is Obama supposed to do now? break his pledge and campaign or not?

why should he? Clinton's not campaigning there, either.

Obama already has bent the pledge, if not broken it, by running ads that appear there.

Clinton is 100% when it comes to this pledge.

that's not the same as campaigning

and yet the other campaigns have managed to advertise without showing them in Florida.

I said he's running ads that appear in Florida: that's indisputable.

Nobody else is. Nor is Clinton campaigning in Florida. She's there for a fundraiser, much like the one Obama had there in November.

Keep in mind that I was not against Hillary, just ambivalent enough about her that I could never quite commit to her.

I like her ability to "throw elbows" but I don't like it done to the detriment of the party, which is what I think has happened recently.

All this talk about she's a doer as if Obama was not, well, Obama was an activist (they do things), Obama got elected to the leglislature (they do things there too), then got elected to the Senate.

I wasn't under the impression that Hillary was running policy decisions after the Health Care effort in 1994, but now it's as if she was fully involved all along. Well, that wasn't what was reported back then.

reconsider this.

It happens all the time.

Doesn't anyone even bother to read anymore?

I never accused her of campaigning before or after the polls close so that's kind of a straw man on your part, isn't it?

I knew Hillary was a liar when I started researching candidates a year ago. One of the first things I saw Hill say, in a speech at a town hall meeting in NH, was, "Americans are the hardest working people in the world."

That's a flat out lie, and one she has to know is a lie.

Honest to buddha, Americans are not the hardest working people in the world. We wouldn't want to be either.

Also, Hill agreed to the deal, as did Florida party officials as to the timing of primaries and as to the penalties for violating the agreed upon rules.

She's now proving that she's not capable of keeping her word, of honoring her deal.

It's so self serving and dishonest. It's disgusting. She's a liar.

We've just had 7 years of this kind of crap. We don't need this.

saying "Americans are the hardest working people in the world" is a flat-out lie? Then you'll have to hate EVERY politician who engages in such platitudes.

That's an amazing piece of mental gamesmanship on your part.

Her statement is not supportable, it's objectively and demonstrably false.

It's also ethnocentric nationalistic bullshit. It's pandering at it purest.

If that's your kind of candidate though, go for it.

I'll find some generic platitude for you to condemn.

well, sure, many definatly are.

If she had said, "Americans are the most productive workers in the world," that at least could be debatable. We might be, as a group. I don't know.


I don't currently have a candidate, mine is no longer in the race.

But let me ask you this; Do you believe Americans are the hardest working people in the world? Ever been to any third world country? Apparently Hillary hasn't. Or if she has, she only hung out with the leisure class.

I've spent some time traveling around Mexico, and one of the very first things that struck me was just how hard people worked, compared to back in the US. It was immediatly obvious to me that most people in Mexico work a lot harder than Americans do. There is no denying it.

It won't take me 5 minutes to find a similar "lie".

double standard?

I've heard it said that it was an inadvertent part of a national ad buy, but if he purposely ran ads there, that's wrong.

It would be another reason why Florida delegates shouldn't be seated, since it would be inherently unfair to Edwards, who isn't in the state tonight telling Floridians that he wants to reward their Dem party leaders for breaking the rules (while rewarding himself) like Clinton is, and who didn't run ads there as Obama is alleged to have done.

My candidate was Kucinich, and I'm not all that sold on any of the remaining three, mostly because none of them have renounced American Empire, and I know that a constitutional democratic republic doesn't stand a chance to survive in an Imperial System.

I will say that out of the three I am most antagonistic to Hillary because of her long record supporting increased militarization. Of the three, IMHO, Hillary is the biggest hawk. I'm also uncomfortable with the bush clinton bush clinton thing. I'd like to give somebody else a chance to fuck things up for a while, if only for the novelty of it.

I also haven't been impressed with Hill's campaign ethics, overall. And if Hill loses the nomination, it will seriously cripple the DLC wing of the party, which I think is in my own best interests to see crippled.

So there you have it.

She is attending a fund-raiser which is permited by the DNC.

:(

I'm really getting more and more turned off to their tactics

Hillary is the one who can think outside that box, calculate the moves like a chess game and overwhelm her target with laser precision. We need to have someone in the WH who can solve that "Rubric's Cube" puzzle of corruption in Washington that *bush will leave behind.

Only an insider can fix it or at least reduce/contain the infection. Obama is way out of his league.

Hillary will be the "Mother of our Nation". You just don't know it yet. Heck, look at what a magnificent job she has done with Chelsea.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

I need an honest, fair president that is trying to get everyone to work together.

AFTER the primary. She's not breaking any rule.

the deal was to NOT campaign FOR the primary. If she comes in after the polls close, she is not breaking any rules, at all.

You disagree and that's fine. But that's my perception. Deal with it!

with desperation........never honey. That kind of difference you may never experience. Obama, he will feel that hint of desperation come February 6th...............

Woundn't give a shit about Florida or Michigan if this wouldn't be such a tight race.

It's AFTER the primary.

She's going there after the primary.

triangulating, automaton.

She is seriously lacking scruples.

whether or not their delegates got seated -- they
were going to go FIRST.

PERIOD.

Read up on it.

They didn't care.

Florida democrats need to take it up with the
Florida Democratic Party and their Legislature.

Loudly and with their votes.

thus sneaking out a win, like a thief in the night.

She signed a pledge not to campaign.

When Kucinich came to Michigan during our "primary" I KNEW he was going to drop out, because
he had signed this too.



Text of Pledge Letter

WHEREAS, over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a 2008 nominating calendar;

WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic diversity of our party and our country;

WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the nominating process, to ensure that money alone will not determine our presidential nominee;

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the nominating calendar.

THEREFORE, I , Democratic Candidate for President, pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as "campaigning" is defined by the rules and regulations of the DNC. It does not include activities specifically related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of fundraising staff.


She SIGNED this.

Actually, I would like to see a link to where she actually did sign a pledge. I'm assuming you have one.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/02/obama-edwards-to-ignore-rule-breakers-936/

snip>"We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process," Clinton's campaign manager said in a statement Saturday. "And we believe the DNC’s rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar."


Are you disputing that she signed it?

it gives good synopsis of the DNC issue...it was reported that the would pledge to skip the states. I would expect a formal signed pledge by the candidate. The reporter may of just talked to a low level staffer who offered a general summary of tentative campaign ideas. That happens often even in smaller congressional campaigns which I have worked on.......I would hold a candidates heels to the flame if they gave a presser and/or had a video of signing a pledge...like this one with Howard Dean in Columbus, Ohio.....

She is coming to florida but the votes wont count. I'm glad she is coming to florida for whatever reason. The mere fact someone is coming to florida is a plus. As it is now, the dems are so disheartened, I can guarantee a red state come november, though I'll vote democrat. Good for her to come to florida.

Doesn't she care how this looks? Breaking her word just days after saying she wouldn't campaign will be a big issue all the way to the general election. What does she hope to gain by this? She was winning in Florida anyway.

breaking any rule.

If you can provide the rule you say she broke, then we can have a conversation.

I was fooled by the headline.

the AP was playing fast and loose here. Thanks for acknowledging it.

I hope it encourages people to actually READ the articles before jumping on a bandwagon.

This would be fascinating if it weren't so fucking destructive.

And besides, it's all about her - not following party rules.

Gutter politics = Clintons

If you do not live in Florida then why should you care? Yours will count but not mine. Is that fair?

They are the ones who are making sure your vote doesn't count.

Are you holding them accountable for this mess?

:mad:

I think I get it now. She wants to make it impossible for Obama to not campaign in Florida too. If he takes the bait, she will have dragged him into the non-credibility muck and can then smear him.

Damn she makes me ill.

Amazing.

and only Obama has run any ads there.

Clinton is going to Florida AFTER the vote.

So how is that uncontested? Got any other bullshit?

Both Clinton and Obama broke their pledges. Both deserve criticism. It is disingenuous to single Hillary out.

He made a national ad buy on cable TV networks. Since Florida is a part of the United States, these ads will play in Florida just like anywhere else since these networks are seen nationwide. The only way to avoid that would be not to buy any national ads at all.

Obama could have waited until after Jan. 29 to do it.

I haven't seen any for hillary here in AZ

Edwards cannot afford them

Obama can, and if yesterday's donations are any indication, he will be buying them all the way through Feb 5th

She signed a PLEDGE.

What does she say about THAT?

she's keeping that pledge. She's going there AFTER the primary.

Obama signed the same pledge, and he has ads running there. Kucinich signed a pledge not to campaign in Michigan, and he broke it.

Clinton has KEPT the pledge 100%.

and then kept her name on the ballot when
every other serious contender withdrew.

Classy!

Not every other candidate withdrew.

Second, she signed no pledge to withdraw her name from the ballot - no candidate did.

Some CHOSE to do so, but it was NEVER part of the pledge. But I'm sure you knew that, because that lie has been debunked here 1000 times.

The others OBVIOUSLY defined this as "not running".

OBVIOUSLY.

Not a LIE.

Not DEBUNKED.

did the DNC ask the candidates to remove their names? Can you find any such link?

The definition of Biden, Richardson, Edwards, Obama and Kucinich.

to remove their names.

Kucinich's name was on the ballot, too. He was too inept to get the paperwork in on time.

His staff may have been "inept".

But they were not dishonorable.

The DNC didn't have to ASK anyone to remove their names.
They knew what "participate" meant.

Hillary did, too. She participated, the others did not.

The others would have removed themselves from Florida's
ballot,too, but Florida required that candidates would have
to drop out of the entire race to drop from their state
ballot.

But you know this.

spin that one, while you're rotating.

Don't need to spin.

By the way...

Where's Hillary?

He's excused from the explicit clause of the pledge because he did poorly?

That's just dumb.

Try to stick to the subject.

I believe that he had already made the decision to
drop out of the race during the time of our "primary".

Hillary's hair-splitting "explicit clause" bullshit
is precisely why I won't vote for her.

Guess it just depends on what your definition of "is" is, and all that.

By the way, a clue for Hillary's location today:

(Note the palm trees)

therefore he campaigned in Michigan? And therefore it wasn't a violation of the pledge?

That's the dumbest thing I've read today, and that's saying a lot.

Senator Clinton is in Florida right now for a fundraiser, just like the one Obama held there in November. What's your point?

He wants to get issues heard by whomever will listen.

PERIOD.

If that's the dumbest thing you read today, you're not re-reading your own tripe!

I never thought he thought he was going to win.

I'm trying to understand your logic, though:

He signed a pledge. But because he planned to drop out, it was OK to break the pledge?

That's nonsensical. And you have no evidence he planned to drop out. In 2004 he stayed in 'til the convention, despite doing just as poorly as this year.

He SAID he was going to stay in this year - so that makes him a liar, if what you say is true.

Your mental gymnastics over this get a 9.6. It would've been a 10, but the Slovakian judge is a big fat liar.

I think he stuck around to speak about the
war. Which is what he did.

If that = gymnastics to you, you are out of shape.

Now Hillary signing a pledge and then STAYING IN THE RACE, purposefully,
and in collusion with the DLC-backed governor and senate delegation of
michigan......

THAT'S just PEACHY!

When he signed the pledge, or when he broke it?

In either case, what makes breaking the pledge OK? Did he cross his fingers when he signed it?

Since he dropped out after the Michigan primary,
he was probably thinking of dropping out DURING
the Michigan primary.......

What made participating in the primary OK for Hillary?
Did SHE cross her fingers when she signed the pledge.
He fingers must be SUPERGLUED crossed....

you're making zero sense now.

Hillary has broken no part of the pledge. Kucinich very clearly did. Those are the facts that matter.

I'm done with this sub-thread because the thread is getting too huge and because I think you're being deliberately dishonest and not discussing in good faith.

And I'M the deliberately dishonest one.

:rofl:

You mistake me for a Kucinich supporter. I'm NOT a Kucinich supporter.
You are saying that Kucinich is worse than Hillary.

SO WHAT.

He is NOT in the race.

If that makes "zero sense" to you, then you clearly have no sense.

your mouths after she wins florida...oh i know there are no delegates, but the win for her will be a lil sour for ya cause you all thinking how big a bounce obama will get from south carolina....really, what did obama win?

The you will have that sour taste all the way to 2/5 and after hrc wins oh let me say 16 to 17 states then that sour taste will make you all vomit......

the story says she's going to Florida after the polls close.

I looked it up on Google and she isn't going to Florida until after the polls close. What a dirty trick this thread is!

trying to change the delegate rules campaigning.

the AP wrote a very misleading headline, and you brought it here, purposely not pointing out the truth. It's what you do.

I didn't think she would be that brazen....

And that, my friends, is the unfortunate truth.

Whic part of "afrer the polls close" you don't understand? (as well as the writer of the article)

but this won't make the DNC happy. It will be interesting. I still say no one will care about FL because the news media will be focused on the Republicans.

.... the basics of self-governance.

Everybody votes. ALL votes are counted. And....

....political parties are also bound by those rules and cannot make up their own rules depriving people of voting rights that must be equal to everyone else's. Real Democrats would be screeching loudly for all elected delegates to be recognized.

The temper tantrums of the DLC/DNC in "punishing" the states, and the whining going on around here, are a clear indication as to why Democrats blow elections repeatedly - they don't know what they, as Democrats, are really all about.

is an understatement

She is coming after the polls close, and frankly I am glad. At least someone cares enough to show up. :))

I hardly see this as campaigning!--after the polls close!

more trumped up false accusations, and faux outrage.

Hillary Cinton isn’t dwelling on the drubbing she took in South Carolina; after a stop at a black church in Memphis this morning, she’ll get a much needed cash-infusion in Florida — where she’s holding three fundraisers, one large low-dollar youth event and two big donor affairs, to stock up for the expensive February 5th campaign.

She also announced this morning that as soon as the polls close in Florida on Tuesday, she’ll hold a rally for supporters in the Sunshine State — where Democrats have been forbidden from campaigning out of respect for the DNC-designated early states of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada.

that's no violation of any pledge.

And Obama held a fundraiser there in November. Michelle Obama held one there in December.

maybe she will raise enough money for a national ad buy...then again, maybe not :evilgrin:

a piece of work!

The sooner she goes away the better!

that a post has to add something, we could save Skinner a ton of money on server space.

:yoiks:

did you read the thread?

She's going there AFTER the polls close, in violation of no pledge whatsoever.

I used to think you were a good reliable poster here and have rec'd many of your threads. Are you going to continue to post deceptive headlines and not defend your bullshit after if has been proven to be deceptive at best?

with your ignorance. Oh, and BTW:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4234728&mesg_id=4234728

C'mon, I know you're smarter than that. Catapulting the propaganda was the way Bush described this sort of repetition.

And imo the source was valid-I posted it because I was wondering about the FL controversy and how Clinton would deal with it. Now we know.
I don't consider this propaganda but you can spin it any way you choose to.

and you're keeping this lie going through your inability to read articles before you post them, or change them after your error has been pointed out.

You can be very defensive at times - I really don't care for this. You posted it, you defend it - it's not up to me to spin this, you did that by posting it.

defensive when you're insulting. I know just what to do about that, too. Buh bye.

I criticized your posting of this mis-characterization of Hillary's trip and you not only say that I was somehow insulting you, but now you're going to put me on ignore? You are a coward of the first degree and I've now lost all respect for you. Even if you don't put me on ignore, I'm putting you on ignore for having turned from a respected contributor on DU to a small-minded polarizing twit. Good riddance.

She posted a misleading article.
It threw ME, too.

You had to read that article very closely
to realize that. You are jumping all over
her and being a big ass.

Put me on ignore while you're at it.

From the caption of the photo you linked to: Democratic presidential candidate US Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) arrives in Sarasota, Florida for a fund-raising event January 27, 2008.

The Florida agreement allows fundraising. As was pointed out above, Obama attended a fundraiser in Florida in November and Michelle Obama attended one in December.

:eyes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4234728&mesg_id=4234728

she's fundraising, as Obama did there in November, and as Michelle Obama did in December.

Reprint the MSM, then ASSume they are right based on what?

Mrs. Clinton is scheduled to fly here on Sunday for two fund-raisers. Although the events are not open to the press or public — her aides said she would attend no public event that would result in her breaking her word with the DNC — her arrival here the day after the South Carolina vote seems likely to produce coverage on Florida television stations and newspapers on the day before the vote. On Friday, her campaign issued a statement saying that she would urge her delegates at the Democratic convention this summer to seat the Florida delegation.

so your "opinion" is sort of worthless on this matter.

She is within boundaries on this.

been planned for awhile. I think her presence there to appear on local FL TV might be questionable.

she will have no events open to the public or the press. Please, just once today, try not to be disingenuous.

All is right with the world on this score.

she always hopes to trap the unwary and those who blindly take her word for things.

Hillary going to Florida for two small fundraisers NOT open to the public or press.

Hillary going to Florida AFTER the polls close for their primary. This is allowed under the terms set out by the DNC.

At least Hillary is attempting to get the delegates from both states: Michigan and Florida.

Sounds a lot like EXPERIENCE is working for the people--where is Obama and Edwards regarding the seating of delegates.

Babble On Sis.

:hide:

Notice I said "some". Unlike you I don't claim to know what "everyone" thinks.

This is one sorry ass thread with so many jumping to condemn Clinton for doing absolutely nothing that breaks her pledge.

Hillary is maybe bending her word by going to Florida when she said she wouldn't campaign. And she may fig leaf it by not saying the words "vote for me" or putting up ads.

But Obama clearly told Tim Russert on Meet the Press that he would not run at all, yet he did.

So if you want to forgive one, forgive them both.

This was on Meet the Press on January 22, 2006. Obama directly said he would not run.

SEN. OBAMA: I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.

MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?

SEN. OBAMA: I will not.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10909406/

Politicians change their minds about running
ALL the time. So what?

This is a totally different situation.

...you can change your mind at any time, but you aren't supposed to break your word. I know of no other case where a politician said an unqualified "I will not" when asked whether they would run and then did anyway.

All I am saying is that if you are willing to forgive Obama for doing this (and it looks like you are), then you should be equally forgiving of Clinton.

This is a PLEDGE made during a race.

LOTS of politicians say they're not going to run
and then change their minds.

And has been!!! So he broke the pledge first. Clinton is just doing a little catching up. Deal with it.

He bought national ads that were not blacked out
in Florida.

Deal with it.

And unglue your caps key, please.

The 4 State Pledge defined the airing of campaign ads inside Florida to be a violation of the no campaigning agreement. On it's face what Obama did was prohibited. His campaing came up with a rational that they, lets say legitimately for the sake of argument, believed gave another way of looking at the pledge's language: "A national ad contract that includes broadcasts into Florida as part of it is not the same as advertizing inside of Florida".

To my mind that is as wingnut as the theories Bush is using to justify ingnoring acts of Congress, but opinions obviously can differ. Obama's campaign at least knew enough to conclude that their reading of the pledge was potentially controversial enough that they could not just go ahead and do it on their own. Did they call the other two candidate's campaigns and ask if they also wanted to use the same interpretation as theirs? No.

More important, since the ultimate finding on that point was obviously not something they could decide on their own, did Obama's campaign consult with the parties to the agreement whose interests might be violated by pursuing those national ads? No they did not. They chose one of the four parties to consult with and acted without the input of the other effected parties. Since it is the Obama campaign that released their version of how "permission was granted", and they only mention the South Carolina Chair having been asked in advance, that is what I accept really happened barring any new forthcoming information.

If they are getting burnt by this it is the Obama camps own fault. There were two routes they could have taken instead. One would have been doing what the other candidates did; not make any arrnagement that would flood Florida houselholds with their campaign ads. The other would have been to approach all the parties to the original pledge to gain consent that their plans would not violate the pledge Obama made. It's not like there were a hundred people they would have needed to contact.

The Obama camp is not getting "burnt" by anyone but
nutty Clinton freaks on DU.

He is not campaigning in Florida. He did not participate
in the Michigan primary (unlike Hillary).

Your definitions are elastic and meant to serve your predetermined point of view. Clinton did absolutely nothing in Michigan that the DNC did not allow (neither did Dodd whose name was on the ballot there also). Obama has his campaign ads being broadcast inside Florida right now.

The serious candidates understood what "participate" meant.

Scruples are not her forte.