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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:24 PM Original message |
IS OBAMA A FLIP-FLOPPER TOO??? |
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Seen the light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. A John Edwards supporter accusing another candidate of flip-flopping |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. They will call Edwards a flip-flopper, too. |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Doesn't answer the question. |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I'm merely pointing out that Republicans are going to do that no matter what |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
51. Edwards' vote was in part based on the trumped up WMD claims. |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I don't think the GOP will care about ANY excuse, in regards to Iraq |
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sunonmars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. amongst other things |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. That's why you gotta feel the Mitt-mentum!! |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
5. Good question. |
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Tulkas (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. Against Romney or McCain ?? |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
7. We are not allowed to discuss how the GOP might campaign against Obama. |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I must have missed |
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chascarrillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
72. You are. But we know that you're doing the GOP's work for them. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. That WINDSURFING ad starring Kerry? It's resurfaced with MITT ROMNEY as the star. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. A new psychological disorder, "26% syndrome" or fear of the tiniest minority. |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. How about Obama's supporters |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
12. If he had voted to cut funding he'd be a "Troop Hater". |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Can't do that to McCain, |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
13. Oh, dear! |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Your responses |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. they won't attack him that way- not even remotely |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Maybe we should |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Do you always get away |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. No. I don't! |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. Three words |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. yeah, that's the ticket, attack one of the most respected posters |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. What Cali... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. There are idiots and then there |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. are you looking in the mirror |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. 13 |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Kennedy and Leahy are flip floppers TOO! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. We must draft Lieberman! |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. CAPITAL LETTERS |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT.....AGAIN |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. No, actually. I'm not arguing with you, because I'm not defending a case. |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Occam, Occam, Occam |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Abuse is not a fallacious argument, because it is not an argument. |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Two points for me |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Fair point. Name: |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. Actually, I was just poking fun at you |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
70. This is rich given the Obamite "flip flop" meme used to swiftboat Edwards for ayear |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
69. Cali continues to repeat that lie |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
18. Getting sick of the whole "You're a flip flopper!" thing.... |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. GOOD GRIEF |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I appreciate how you showed us each of those in the OP. It was a full-spectrum lesson. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
67. Owning your mistake, and correcting your views, is a virtue. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Has Obama ever admitted he was wrong on an issue in the past? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
19. "I wasn't aware I voted no! let the record show I meant to vote yes" |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. YOU MEAN |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
27. I heard Obama has toe jams. Have you heard that? Nasty, old |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Again |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Well, Hill and Bill never miss a chance to mention Obama's votes |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Oh dear! |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
29. A flip-flopper? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
33. Oh, dear God not, FLIP FLOPPER! |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. What a surprise |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
37. Soon you'll be claiming he farts in bed and pulls the covers over Michelle's head. |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Thank you for the chance |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Actually, that isn't reductio ad absurdum at all. Second, reductio ad absurdum isn't a fallacy. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. You'll have to forgive us who find your preposterous Obama attacks de jour amusing. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. He googles "logical fallacies," and then tries to pick out ones to ascribe to people's posts. |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Not really Occam.... |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Now Occam |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
39. That not only makes Obama a flip flopper, but a hypocrite, too. That means he's a Flippocrite |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Hey mtnsnake! |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Hey CJP, wassup chum |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
66. LOL! Obama in a nutshell: "flippocrite". Love it! |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
63. Obama is certainly going to be jumped as a Flip Flopper for his |
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Gloria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
64. Shelby Steele, Obama biographer, on what happens if Barack ever actually |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
65. Only asshats use the term "flip flopper" (nt) |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Now, with argument like that cgrindley |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:53 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Flip Flopper is a RW term |
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