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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:38 PM
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Edwards is the New Kucinich
As the Edwards campaign continued to collapse into the new year, his campaign and his supporters are reminding me more and more of the vanity campaign of Dennis Kucinich.

It seems the cult of personality is just as strong, and its not at all uncommon to see posts extolling the virtues of Edwards as though he was some sort of messiah figure.

The trajectory of his campaign is following a similar path, especially now that Kucinich has dropped out and Edwards continues to turn in miserable showings at the polls. He has yet to win a single state, and it is doubtful that he will.

We are now at a point where Edwards has no path to the nomination and he is merely filling the sideshow void left in the campaign by Kucinich.

I predict that as the primaries slog on, Edwards support will collapse to a point where he no longer meets the 15% threshold in primaries for picking up delegates, and he will run around wasting everyone's time complaining about being excluded from debates ect. The fantasy scenario of Edwards playing kingmaker on a second ballot at the convention is nothing but a fantasy.

As he continues to perform poorly his contributions will dry, up he will be ignored, and he will continue his transformation into a latter day Dennis Kucinich in terms of relevance.

I suppose the only solace I take from the whole scenario is that John Edwards' time as a legitimate political figure is over. He wouldn't be a top tier candidate if he ran again in 2012 or 2016, however I'm sure Kucinich or some other darling of the far left will be right back to fill in the niche.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:41 PM
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1. Hillary is the new Bush
Mark Penn is the new Lee Atwater, and the Hillbots are every bit as vile as these despicable bastards were.......

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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:44 PM
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2. Wow. They should take some civility lessons from you, huh?
Your post ooozes with such graciousness and love.

:eyes:
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:07 PM
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20. They started it!
and the Penn/Atwater comparison is VERY valid
Carville's the new Rove, while we're at it. There's a reason he's married to Matalin.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:32 PM
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28. What a stupid thread.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:44 PM
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3. Yes, because it's so bad someone is actually talking
about poverty, corporate greed and control of our democratic processes, and protecting the middle class in this race. Obviously no one is working hard enough to marginalize him--people like you need to join in as well.

Don't you have a short pier you need to long walk off or something?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:44 PM
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4. continues to perform poorly???....
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 07:45 PM by marions ghost
:rofl:
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:45 PM
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5. Ok, your prediction is noted.
But prepare for disappointment.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:46 PM
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6. Actually his contributions are growing
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:46 PM
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7. Actually his contributions are growing
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:47 PM
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8. It is true that Edwards supporters have become very much like Kucinichs
That is no insult to the people who support these figures but I agree 100% with the original post.
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:50 PM
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9. or the new Howard Dean
or the new Ralph Nader.

As long as you're coming up with insults that make you look stupid, why not go all the way?

There's a lot of cult of personality around Obama and Clinton also. You don't have to not be winning in order to attract cult followers.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:52 PM
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10. Attempting to further marginalize Edwards by comparing him to Dennis? Please.
The only solace I can take from this is that John at the very least is going to exert considerable influence at the convention. And his influence will be felt for years to come! And predications regarding his demise are greatly exaggerated!
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:53 PM
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11. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatever. n/t
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:58 PM
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Meanwhile you were never important and never will be.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:03 PM
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14. So do I throw a rock at you now?
What's the next step in your school yard games?
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:04 PM
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16. you are getting more and more ridiculous. quit now, friend. nt
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:34 AM
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39. Just a little shot across your bow
such presumption to lecture us about who is matters and who doesn't
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:58 PM
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12. self-delete
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 07:58 PM by Gonnabuymeagun
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:02 PM
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13. Are you kidding?
He's going to grab any delegates he can and bargain for a timely endorsement.

Nobody's laughing at Edwards. Kucinich, always somewhere there was a snicker or two.

I'm hoping he's our new Attorney General, come January.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:05 PM
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19. As long as there is a winner on the first ballot, its irrelevant.
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 08:07 PM by tritsofme
In practice his delegates mean very little if the convention isn't split.

As the campaign wears on it is likely that he will not meet the delegate threshold in many states.

Edwards is at the end of his political road, and I say good riddance to bad rubbish.
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:28 PM
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25. A troll, right? Gotta be. nt
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:39 PM
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30. Yes, because there must be some ulterior motive when you don't scream like
a school girl for Edwards or Kucinich, but it is perfectly legitimate and respected in many circles around here to state that you will refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee.

Screwy world we live in.
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:03 PM
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15. what an ugly, uninformed OP.
take your solace that 'his time' is over, as you'd like to believe, but don't be too disappointed when he continues to work for the poor, the voiceless, the non-corporate interests of America and the world.

what do you have against someone who is clearly trying to do something about real issues? what could you possibly mind about Dennis or Edwards.

sheesh, where do people like you come from?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:05 PM
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17. Or, his message resonates.
Get bent.

And I mean that in the nicest way.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:05 PM
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18. Really!
What if hillary or Obama don't reach the magic number, seems like JE will have a lot of power.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:10 PM
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21. Welcome to Democratic Underground.
What the Hell are you?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:25 PM
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23. I've been here for quite some time.
Thank you for the introduction though.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:19 PM
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22. OHHH this thread is absolutely ridiculous
NEWSFLASH!!!!

This party should be wholeheartedly fucking EMBARASSED that Hillary and Clinton are included in the top three. Not to mention that Obama who is a advocate for ripping off the worker GLOBALLY via corrupt free trade agreements is in there as well.

For years, since Bush got into the whitehouse, this party has done nothing but talk out of it's ass on the Iraq War, Investigations into the BA and these corrupt Free Trade Agreements.

The fact that two of them voted for this war, supported this war and are now the nominee is freaking absurd.

The fact that the other is a free trade whore is the same.

This party is owned by corporate interests and Edwards is a part of that infrastructure. He had a massive pro corporate voting record as a senator.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:28 PM
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24. the far left.?..you are really silly
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:29 PM
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26. They used to call that "The Democratic Party"
back in the 60s. But politics has swung so far to the right that even a Goldwater-esque post like the OP's doesn't sound too conservative.

Sad.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:38 PM
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29. yes it is..... tom hayden endorsed obama today
i find that is far more interesting than the kennedy`s endorsements.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:40 PM
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31. No kidding? I'll have to check that out
And I agree-- that is more interesting than Kennedy's endorsement.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 09:22 PM
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35. here
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-hayden/an-endorsement-of-the-mov_b_83478.html
Tom Hayden: An Endorsement of the Movement Barack Obama Leads - Politics on The Huffington Post
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 09:27 PM
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36. This is great-- thanks!
My favorite line:

"She is a centrist, and it will be up to social movements to alter the center."

This is what happened in the previous century (in the 30s and 60s), and that's what will need to happen again. No real change ever comes from the top. It always starts at the grassroots and reaches critical mass. If we have the right person at the top, then things change quicker. Otherwise, the fight goes on.

Thanks again! :thumbsup:
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 09:30 PM
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37. I know...what's wrong with actually being liberal? Such a dirty word these days.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:31 PM
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27. It seems to me there is a difference.
I believe Kucinich to be sincere.
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:41 PM
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32. you bet...
He's the next in line for people like you to dismiss as irrelevant, vain, and unimportant. Why bother to hold elections at all? Let's just select the president on the basis of who has the most corporate money and the most support from the already-entrenched Beltway insiders? Yeah, that's real democracy for you.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:45 PM
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33. Why do you conservative RWers post on DU?
I don't get it; this is a Progressive Democrat site.

If you despise Progressive Democrats, who you define as "darlings of the far left", then what are you doing here?
:shrug:
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:51 PM
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34. I'm very fond of the remaining candidates that have a shot at the nomination.
I think that either Obama or Clinton would make a wonderful president.

I've never made my distaste for Edwards or Kucinich any secret.

You can leave your personal attacks somewhere else.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 09:31 PM
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38. I agree. He's like a magnified Kucinich. That, I think, is a good sign.
If Kucinich could get 1% of the vote in '04, and if the magnified-Kucinich Edwards could get 15% of the vote in '08, progressive populism is on the upswing.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:35 AM
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40. He really should just drop out
he is an irrelevant distraction.
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