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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:05 PM
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How does Hillary beat McCain if the election is about experience?
Hillary has positioned herself as the "experience" candidate. She apparently has "35 years" of relevant experience.

From Hillary supporters, I'm wondering how this will play in a contest against McCain. Wouldn't you agree that if the election is about experience that McCain has the inside track? If so, what's the argument for voting for her?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:05 PM
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1. They're both seen as experienced enough. Not so for "One year in the senate" Obama
one year in the senate before he started running
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:15 PM
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10. So she won't be running on experience in the general election?
So Hillary will need to make a sharp turn to become the candidate of change come the general election? Is this the thought?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:31 PM
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32. she'll neutralize McCain on national security and run on a better domestic agenda of change
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:06 PM
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2. She doesn't.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:15 PM
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9. Exactly. And certainly not with the support she's gotten from Independents thus far.
They've voted for Obama by a large margin thus far and would flock to McCain if Hillary were the nom.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:07 PM
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3. Can they tie McCain to Jesse Jackson somehow? Paint him as just another black candidate?
Surely some of these strategies they are using in the Dem primary can be used in the general election.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:17 PM
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14. lol
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mrmx9 Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:33 PM
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23. Well he spent a lot of time abroad in his youth (in Vietnam) - he must have Buddhist tendencies!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:08 PM
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4. She is a Democrat and he is a Republican. Sounds simplistic I know
but that is most of it right there, as long as we don't run a candidate that the Republican can poke too many holes in.

My long version of my answer to your question is at the link below. You are not the first person who has asked this question, lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4124075&mesg_id=4124951
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:14 PM
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8. Not all the voters will be dems and republicans...
What about the independents? Again, if the central theme is about experience I just don't see that the "I'm a democrat - VOTE for me" message is very strong. If so, you're essentially positing that any democrat with "enough" experience will win.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:18 PM
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16. I wrote about ten paragraghs at the link I left above, lol
I'm avoiding dropping a text bomb on this thread.

In a nut shell I meant that the Democratic Party is on the correct side of the issues that matter to most Americans today, certainly in comparison to the Republicans. I wasn't simply comparing the numbers of registered Democrats vs registered Republicans. We will run on the better platform, and we have more credablity as a Party than the G.O.P., after what that ENTIRE party has just put this nation through - marching lock stop with George W. Bush eery step of the way.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:08 PM
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5. It's just campaign rhetoric - Obama certainly doesn't play here either
...so this is kind of a mute point.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:09 PM
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6. Prepare for an onslaught of GOP ads...
... comparing Hillary's 35 years of experience to what John McCain experienced 35 years ago.

I still think she'd kick his ass, but gawd what a demoralizing and ugly campaign that would be.
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:14 PM
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7. I want to ask you, if any election is about " experience ",
how then, did Bush win twice?
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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 09:47 PM
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25. Simply put, he didn't! nt
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:15 PM
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11. because no election is about one attribute
if you have experience, you focus on experience. If you have other attributes, you focus on those.

How will McCain defend himself against the charge of being a doddering old fool?
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:23 PM
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18. Fair enough...
So they'll go against McCain's age? That might work.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:26 PM
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19. it will be done subtly
they won't say he's too old - they'll say he's out of touch with modern America. They'd go after him the same way they beat Bob Dole.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:29 PM
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21. Not surprising...too bad elections end up being run on stuff like this...
Perhaps this is why Obama has such a following, ey? I agree this approach might work, but it just leads to another 4 years of nothing getting done. Without a working majority, people are left to compromise - that doesn't work well if the election is won through junk like this.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:34 PM
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24. what junk?
And compromise has ALWAYS been the hallmark of democratic (small d) government.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:29 PM
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30. Making McCain the "old guy" candidate - this is junk and a poor way to campaign.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:56 AM
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35. That's ridiculous

Good lord, is this your first campaign?
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:17 PM
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12. 16 YEARS!!!
Doesn't that just say it all?
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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:17 PM
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13. The surge is not working
That fact alone will be enough...
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:18 PM
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15. if it comes down to the two of them i think she will clean his clock in the debates.
she's a far better speaker then he and she does her homework.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:21 PM
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17. Her experience is the reason I think Hillary has the best shot at beating him
She's the only one, IMO, who can compete with him in terms of being perceived as Commander in Chief during a wartime situation, which we are in. Perception is everything.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:26 PM
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20. I was just trying to understand the theme she will use...sounds like it will be a general dem theme
That the country should vote for her because she's qualified and democratic. Perhaps this will work...dunno. It seems to me though that this approach would work lots better against someone like Romney instead of someone like McCain. McCain has the special interest thing over Hillary, but perhaps the war position will be enough for any one.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:31 PM
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22. She doesn't. Both candidates have to get the Independents, and they will vote for McCain.
You don't even have to get to the experience issue. The majority simply will not vote for Hillary Clinton. And enough Republicans will turn out to vote for McCain, in order to keep Clinton out of office, so that the Independents will become especially critical.

But Romney still might win. The Indies might not vote for Romney, either, so it'll cancel each other out. But...I still think Romney would win because of the high Repub turnout to vote against Clinton. It's just that it'd be more of a squeaker than if it were McCain.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:03 PM
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26. It's the economy stupid! eom
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:20 PM
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27. "How does Hillary beat McCain if the election is about experience?"
Maybe she cries a lot? :shrug:
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:22 PM
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28. How does Obama? How does Edwards?
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:27 PM
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29. The election "won't" be about experience if Obama or Edwards is the Dem choice
This is Hillary's calling card - not Obama's. Hillary is telling the world she really has 35 years experience (truly, this too will be unraveled. 35 years experience doing what exactly?). Unlike Hillary, McCain actually DOES have 35+ years experience. This is my point - Hillary will be operating in McCain's wheelhouse.

Obama will make the race about his brand of change, not experience.
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:32 PM
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33. What if McCain makes it about experience? It seems that any of
our three candidates would be a little weak in that department when compared to McCain?

Just because Senator Obama will want to make it about hope and change doesn't mean that McCain or any Republican will let him.



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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:34 PM
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34. Then they make it about the economy and Iraq...
The main thing is that with Obama or Edwards, the Republican base will not be united around McCain and the independents will vote Dem.

If Hillary is the nom, the Republicans rally around McCain to defeat the "Hildebeast" and he draws the independents too.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:30 PM
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31. This year, people really are looking for change.
Hillary and McCain need to run on something else.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:57 AM
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36. She doesn't ... that is the point
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:00 AM
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37. I don't support hillary, but at least she's not insane as mccain is. n/t
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