DU'ers who will NOT vote for Hillary in the GE, please explain something to me

Please explain how John McCain or Mitt Romney will make a better president than Hillary Clinton. That's the belief you demonstrate by your stated choice. You have stated, indirectly, that McCain or Romney would help America in better ways than Hillary.

And instead of writing the nonsense ad hominem Arianna Huffington echo chamber snake venom rage, could you just share specific examples of policy differences that justify your choice? How is Hillary Clinton NOT the lesser of two evils in a race against McCain or Romney?

If you don't vote at all, that's still a choice, a poor one, but it means that you think your vote makes no difference, ergo you believe there is no difference between the candidates. Do you really think that?

I see many of you post here, so I know you're here. I'm sure you wouldn't mind sharing just one more time. Why? Why won't you support Hillary if she's the Democratic Candidate?

And after you post, would you read this McCain Warns: "There Will Be Other Wars", ironically posted at Huffington Post, a website with writers devoted to destroying Hillary no matter the ramifications, thereby enabling tyrants like McCain. Nonetheless, would you read the article about John McCain, about his warnings about "other wars?" Maybe if you read the article, you'd rethink any reasons you have for not supporting Hillary. You'd realize if you keep your promise, to sit out the GE if Hillary is our nominee, that we could have more wars, more gigantic tax cuts for the rich, more destruction of the middle class, less corporate regulation, less environmental regulation, less Health Care.

Share, please.

(Something even you would have to admit is considerably less likely today than it was yesterday), but you aren't going to get supporters of other candidates to do that if you take this kind of approach. Lose the arrogance, start listening, find ways to find common ground.
This "obey, peasant scum" tone does your candidate no good at all.

If not, you'd have done far better anyway to approach this from a more conciliatory, less confrontational manner.
In the end, a hell of a lot more non-HRC people would work hard for a HRC ticket than HRC people would for a non-HRC one(witness the passion Kucinich volunteers brought to the Kerry campaign in the fall versus the contempt and dismissiveness Kerry people would have shown had Kucinich somehow been nominated, or witness how hard George McGovern worked for Hubert Humphrey in the fall of '68 as compared to the contempt Humphrey showed for McGovern's candidacy in the fall of '72).

It's the NON-progressives you've gotta worry about defecting to Bloomburg, not us splitting off to go third party(which we ain't stupid enough to do this year of all years.)

I feel very strongly about this. It is so frustrating to be so right on a subject that to me, is so simple to understand. People in this country hate Hillary. I'm sorry if that upsets some of you, I'm not trying to be mean, but it is true. Do any of you want to take the chance of losing the election when Edwards can beat any on the republican candidates? Hillary or Obama just don't have a chance. I have heard some racist bastards claim that Obama will be shot if he wins. I know you can't make a choice based on racist threats, and I believe he is very brave to run, but that possiblity scares the shit out of me.

it'll be four more years of GOP with a backup of D-I in the WH.

It's frustrating to be right on THAT.

Even if I'd prefer the one who seems least likely to get the nod.

have a problem, and that problem has everything to do with THEM, their own selves, and not Clinton.

I have to agree with him.

He has a lot of personal problems of his own.

Which is more than I can say for many people here.

And honestly, there are a LOT of them who have this "problem".

The primaries aren't even over yet.

I'll vote for the Democrat whoever the nominee is, but it doesn't mean I'm happy to see these kinds of post already.

If she wins the nomination, I don't know what I'll do. AFter the way she, her husband and her campaign have acted thus far during the primary season, coupled with and her Iraq war vote and vote for Kyl/Lieberman,it will be very very hard for me to vote for her. I know I can't vote for a republican either, however.

Given that, I will second whatyour are saying. I have always believed that a Democrat is always better than a Republican and especially now.

I cannot take too narrow of view of this election. I have learned that to do so is certain defeat and this country simply cannot afford another Republican president! Period, the end!!!

Hillary will fire Howard Dean and that will shatter the party.

doncha think????

Some people cut off their nose to spite their faces.

They will have a DLC er either way. Obama is to the Right
of Hilary. Are there a lot of Right Leaning Democrats?

I plan to support Hilary if she is the nominee.

Hillary would be better than any R and I will probably vote for her if we are unlucky enough to have her as our nominee. However, I understand why a few of my family members over the last week have pledged to never vote for her. And these are people who have spent weeks working for every Dem nominee since they were able to vote.

The problem is, when I vote for Hillary, I am endorsing her dirty campaign and her wind sock politics. There is no other Dem candidate that embodies what is wrong with the Dem party more than Hillary. Some people are just sick of enabling it, and I don't blame them.

I just read an article that she is keeping bill on the trail to continue in his "role".
The games will continue to be played.

Not good for our nation!

I started a poll to find out how many would vote for her.. right now it's about 62%.

I put that I would "probably" vote for her.. because the repugs scare me... but no one else I know will vote for her. Not my dem friends... certainly not my "middle of the road" friends, and definitely none of my repug friends (i have a couple).

To me - this means she's unelectable... so then I think, eh.. why not vote - it won't matter anyway. I'll probably do it, but it's going to depend on how much more slime and dirty tactics she rolls out over the next few months. I have dignity.

Nobody is saying that a Repub will make a better President. They're saying that they're sick of constantly having to vote for the lesser of two evils and Clinton is just too great an evil (albeit the lesser) to vote for.

The system no loger belongs to the people. It belongs to big business and politicians. Some feel that it's time to stop playing their game and start playing ours.

Without fundamentally changing the system itself, nothing substantive is going to change. We'll still have the same "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" mentally in Congress and we'll still have a 2-party system where both party's candidates are annointed by big business.

...and neither Clinton, Obama, nor Edwards are talking about that...

someone for how they vote, it's their prerogative and don't think for a second everyone here will be telling the truth in how they voted come November. Bush voters are ass stupid but again, it's their vote.

I do not believe she is trustworthy. She cannot be believed. I also think she voted for the IW for political reasons, not because that's what she thought was best for the country. I believe she voted for the Patriot Act for the same reason. I believe she sold John Kerry down the river (and, therefore, the country) because it was better for the Clintons' political plans to have Kerry lose. I believe the Clintons started all the massive jobs moving out of the country when they passed NAFTA with no environmental or wage controls (and like the Iraq War, the President was warned beforehand what the effect would be...but the Clintons passed it anyway).

For the above reasons, I believe the Clintons have done, and would continue to do, much harm to our country. For that reason alone, I will vote for anyone....anyone...who I think will truly do the best s/he can for our country, and who has integrity and can be trusted. It is secondary that I agree with every policy decision.

What matters most to me (I cannot speak for others) is to have someone in the White House who truly has the best interest of the country in mind, who truly works hard to perform that duty, and who will be truthful with us, the people. That most certainly defines McCain. I don't know about Romney or Bloomberg yet.

Because she has consistently stated she will not stay in Iraq for long, and Romney and McCain have pledged to continue until some type of "victory." So do you believe Hillary is lying?

And Clinton created 22 million new jobs, all in the US.

If she's the nominee, blame the dumb fucks who voted for her... same as the dumb fucks who voted for Bush.

Just like 2004, America gets what it deserves. :hi:

The "lesser of two evils" argument is one that I've heard since I started voting in 1966.

With two exceptions, 1968 and 2006, I bowed to that argument.

Now I subscribe to the arguments of Thomas Jefferson and John Quincy Adams.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." --John Quincy Adams

your scare list seems to match pretty well what I expect from hillary anyway so not so scary.

Hillary is a tool of the corporations through and through as far as I can tell. She will do nothing to stop the decline of the middle class except lip service.

I don't like her War vote I don't like her bankruptcy vote I don't like that she will seemingly vote for whatever benefits her not what is right for the american people. Her campaign has disgusted me completely I have never seen someone so willing to do anything to get elected and I am certainly not going to reinforce the idea that her type of campaigning is ok.

I don't fear a republican president with Dem's in control of congress. It is not the president who crafts legislation.

I think it would be far more healthy for the party to reject her brand of politics once and for all to say good bye forever to the Penn's and carvils and HSU's and murdocks. I am tired of secretive government and arm twisting and scorched earth policies. I remember at the beginning of her campaign when she was suggesting her donors had better not donate to anyone else. I reject that kind of representation completely.

The recent florida and michigan bullshit is a perfect example of why I hate her. She wants those votes to count simply because she was the only one on the ballot in MI and she has name recognition going for her in florida. She wants those votes to count cause she cares about them? Horse shit when it was the at large casinos she was more than happy to make sure they didn't get a chance top vote simply because she thought they would go against her. Lucky for her she didn't get her way or nevada would have gone to Obama entirely. But it goes to the basic point about her. She will cheat lie steal it doesn't matter what to get into power and I do not want that sort of person as my president.

I cant do anything about the republicans choice for president,I am not registered to their party so I have no say in the matter. I can however completely reject our candidate. If she is the nominee i fully intend to vote a D ticket all the way down stopping short of voting for her. If she has coattails it wont be a problem (she probably wont).

I tend to agree with Dem's on most issues but I do not owe them anything, if they want my support they earn it and hillary has never done so in fact the more i watch her run the more disgusted I am by her complete lack of integrity.

Sorry but I wont vote for it. I have a feeling theres millions more out there like me.

don't get your hopes up a new congress will have any higher sense of responsibility.

Msongs

Two sides of the same party. Time to oust them both.

But if HRC gets the nomination I will have to vote for her even though it will probably make me throw up.

...is still voting for evil. I won't do it.

I want a Democrat, not a Semi-crat.

They abused the last votes I gave them--never again.

I guess we all have our picks.

Why do you assume there are those at DU who will not vote for Hillary under any circumstances?

Why are you trying to force the Hillary issue while we still have a chance to get away from ossified entrenched political dynasties and elect Obama Barak?

It looks to me like you are trying to quickly gloss over Obama to rush to a Hillary nom. Bad move, really.

If only because it lengthens the war to allow Republicans to continue in power. There is no excuse not to vote against a Republican in every single race.

My vote means nothing in November anyway, thus I will freely exercise my right to vote for whomever I choose. And it won't be 2 of the 3 currently running.