Obama and Clinton supporters

Seems like the one thing missing these days from your candidates are discussions about the "real" issues. All we get is fighting between the two camps, and them avoiding talking about the problems we have, and how they will fix them when they take office.

Are you satisfied with these kind of tactics? I am not, and I am one of those voters that may have to decided between the two one day. If Edwards drops out, my vote, and many others, are up for grabs. Why aren't Obama and Clinton trying to win our votes by telling us how they will fix things? I want real answers before I can give them my vote. Will that happen?

That vast majority of posts I see here are nothing more than the same bickering and fighting between the two camps as I see with the candidates. Why? Don't you care about the real issues? Don't you want to hear them tell you, and the world how they will tackle the problems that will be left by Bush?

It isn't going to be easy, and I want to know that they are up to the challange if they want my vote!

Do you ever contribute anything meaningful to a discussion?

and I'm cynical enough to think that the flames are being fanned by a media that loves the image of a black and a woman fighting.

That said, I think any of them - Obama, Clinton, Edwards - would make a fantastic president.

I know where Obama stands on the issues as well as the other candidates. I try to explain why I support him over them; maybe it will speak to you, maybe it won't. :hi:

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Just more "he's inspirational" nonsense. More "he'll inspire the people". But inspire the people to what?!

Although I think you'd rather not. My intent with my post was to explain why I support him.

I'm funny that way. I don't need a candidate to inspire me. I have a religion to do that.

I don't need a candidate to make me feel all warm and fuzzy. I've got a closet full of blankets, three cats and a beagle.

I need candidates to take clear stands. Those that don't won't get my vote.

You are taking a very black and white view of this - it's not issues vs. inspiration. In my view, they go together and that's what makes a winner.

Answer me this - has Hillary stated she will restore Habeas Corpus and close Guantanamo Bay?

I don't support either of the corporate candidates. I support the populist. Because I know what he thinks, and what he intends to do.

So, you've told me what Hillary won't do. What will Obama do?

He has stated this many times. I apologize for assuming you were a Hillary supporter.

I really want to beleive that all of our candidates can take over as the leader of this country, and tackle the job, take care of the mess Bush left, and make this world a better place. What I don't want is more fighting over nothing. I just want to see them talk about the issues. Say how they will fix it in detail. They really have a tough job ahead of them if they become president, and our future will depend on how they do their job.

It seems you are doing the right thing before deciding who to support; it's not an easy decision. Good luck! :hi:

I was. I don't need them to discuss how they feel about this or that. I know. I have watched all but one of the many debates. I've watched them on TV whenever I could. I've read their websites.

Ain't nothin' they could say now that'd surprise me about their positions on the various issues.

But you DO know that's not why people vote for politicians, don't you? First and foremost...they vote for someone they LIKE. Second, do they act professional and look/act the part? (We don't want our President on a stage saying he saw UFO's, for example.) Third, do they belong to the right party? (The two major parties have platforms, and generally speaking, the candidates believe and have pledged to abide by those platform positions. There is little difference among the candidates.)
Fourth, I guess someone who has the time would get into the details of various things like the healthcare propositions, and decide based on that. I don't, though, because CAMPAIGN PLANS are almost never passed. It is, instead, the general philosophy of the candidate about the issue that matters.

Finally, for me...ability to work with the opposing party matters. We need to get things passed, or it doesn't matter WHAT the candidate thinks about an issue. For that, he needs to inspire confidence, be respected and trusted that what he says is true, and be known to be a reasonable but resolute person.

I suspect Edwards' supporters would go to Clinton, but I don't know. I'm an Obama supporter.

I just want to know for sure he is serious, and has a real plan. I agree, most people vote for someone they like, I like Obama. And they vote for someone that looks like a president, I understand that. But in the long run, we need to be sure that they will follow through with their promises, which most do not, and put the well being of the people first. I see that in Edwards, and want to see it in Obama also. If Edwards drops out, I have to make a choice, and I want to make the right one.

I am having a hard time between Clinton and Obama. I just haven't heard either of them say something that makes me want to back them, yet. I hope that changes, I really do.

Thanks for explaining things from your view.

and possibly stories of people he's met over the years beset by hardship and monetary struggles.

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That really burns me up. The squabbling also shows that both campaigns don't get it.
I wish we could recall these two and get better candidates.

And both of them need to have sound bites the media will use or they end up on the short end of an attack cycle.

All one has to do is listen to the type questions the media is asking our candiates when they get a chance to see that substance is not on the agenda for media coverage.

All the want is ratings, and the war between Obama and Clinton seems to do that for them. They could care less about the issues, and their corporate owners would rather see the fighing in the dem party, than show what their veiws are on the issues. I hate the corporate owned media! :thumbsdown:

Part of Obama's platform includes withdrawing troops from Iraq IMMEDIATELY.

What about education professionals? Part of Hillary Clinton's platform is ENDING THE (UNFUNDED MANDATE) NCLB ACT.

There are substantive issues; the media simply doesn't cover them. It's so much more fun to engage in the Tim Russert style of "gotcha" reporting.

But my issue is not only who can win, but who will fix this country? I have a son who is 13, and I don't want to see him getting drafted into a war over oil in some god forsaken country in the middle east.

I want a leader that will get us out of the war, and do their best to repair the damage around the world that Bush has caused. If not Edwards, then I need to know in my heart that I picke the right one between the two others.

and the media's lust for conflict, which tends to blow any minor little comment someone makes into a major scandal. Any discussion of real issues gets lost in all the noise.