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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:57 PM
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AP: "Independents Could Tilt Super Tuesday"
This is great news for Obama! California, New Jersey, Illinois, Massachusetts, and Alabama allow Indies to vote, so this bodes well for Obama, especially in states with tight contests.

The polls that Hillary supporters are trotting out are polls that only poll Democratic voters. In states where Indies and Republicans can crossover, those polls are meaningless.

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/independents-could-tilt-super-tuesday/20080127151809990001

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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:58 PM
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1. Good news. I still think he has an outside chance.
But I am still hopeful. 2 months ago I never imagined he'd make it this far! :D
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:59 PM
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2. ...
Is he trying to go for CA? I hope so, it would be a mistake not to do some heavy campaigning there. I just hope these polls tighten up. 9 days makes me very nervous.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:00 AM
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3. Most Published Polls Account For Independents Voting In (D) Or (R) Primaries
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:01 AM
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4. Interesting
It seems weird to be touting independents as a force here on DU, but if it gets you where you need to go... :shrug:
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:02 AM
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5. I don't want Republicans to have any part of deciding the
the Democratic Party's candidate. I hate open primaries.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:11 AM
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16. I do. If they want to vote for a Dem., more power to them. Our country WILL be more unified
when we get someone accepted by more than 51% of Americans.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:02 AM
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6. Clinton is independent repellant, that is for sure. And with Bill on the campaign
they will probably piss off plenty of Dems too.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:02 AM
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7. So you prefer people not of our party "tilt" things as long as your candidate wins. Marvelous.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:04 AM
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9. Funny isn't it?
And from Texas republican circuses of the past, I can tell you that they don't exactly act to tip the scale in favor of our strongest candidate. :shrug:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:05 AM
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12. Go figure. I hate open primaries, and people like this irritate me
"As long as my candidate wins it's awesome!!!111"
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:02 AM
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8. Most of the polls account for independents.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:04 AM
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10. We Already Established That
And even national polls account for indys who will be voting in independent primaries...
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:04 AM
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11. I believe this is true also
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:06 AM
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13. those polls they keep trotting out are not relevant anymore
not since South Carolina. Just watch the new batch of polls they will show a tightening race in each of those states.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:06 AM
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14. All those polls are Pre South Carolina, there will be a bounce
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:09 AM
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15. Good! Let the polls show he's way behind. Then his wins will look even more dramatic!
:D
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:29 AM
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17. Pike County Kick and Rec! n/t
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:33 AM
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18. Polls underrepresented Barack's win in SC by a large margin.
They have not been very reliable this season.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:37 AM
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19. I didnt know Indy's could vote in The NJ primary. Gotta go tell my Dad he can vote for Obama!
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:00 AM
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24. They can't.
In NJ, you have to have affiliated with a party since some time in December to vote Feb. 5th.
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:41 AM
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20. The polls are also based on models from the previous elections
And we all know Obama has been blowing those models to smithereens! Obama will get huge turnouts of African-Americans and young people that the polls aren't even picking up right now.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:50 AM
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21. I have no problem with Indies voting in Democrat or Republican primaries...
...considering most will end up voting for a Democrat or Repubican anyway.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:52 AM
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22. Only Republicans can vote in their CA primary
So the Indies in California will have to vote in the Dem Primary if they want to vote. He is going to do much better than people think, and Teddy will really push some of those other states that he can't make it to.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:43 AM
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25. **Correction** "Decline to State" Voters in CA can vote Dem/Indy party primary
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 02:47 AM by Melinda
Republicans have not adopted the "decline to state" rule for the 2/5 primary; you are correct. As to other parties, here's the pertinent law:

"Decline to State" Voters - Voting in the Upcoming 2008 Presidential and Statewide Direct Primary Elections

If you are a voter who has declined to state an affiliation with a political party, you may be able to vote for a candidate of a specific party in the upcoming February 5, 2008 Presidential Primary Election and/or June 3, 2008 Statewide Direct Primary. You may request, from your county elections official or at your polling place, the ballot of a political party if authorized by the party's rules and duly noticed by the Secretary of State. Click here to obtain county elections office contact information.

If you do not request such a ballot, you will be given a nonpartisan ballot, containing only the names of all candidates for nonpartisan offices and measures to be voted upon at the primary election.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_decline.htm

I'm working the polls here in CA on 2/5, and learned the above in my class last week.

As someone who lived in GA for many years, I do not care for the cross-over ability to vote in another parties primary, but as shown above, anyone in CA can find a work-around to vote in the democratic primaries..

Thanks for providing an opportunity for me to share my new found knowledge. :)

*corrected error re repubs.
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BlueStateBlue Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:55 AM
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23. In NJ, you have to declare a party to vote in the primary. nt
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:43 PM
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26. Independents CANNOT vote in Arizona's Primaries. Indies = 28% of registered voters in AZ.
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