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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:51 AM
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I don't care about endorsements. I care about issues
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 06:52 AM by RestoreGore
All of the hoopla over Ted Kennedy endorsing Obama, or this one endorsing that one... what is the big deal? Can't anyone think for themselves? To me it is about people getting their names in the news and thinking that just because they endorse Obama or whoever I then have to vote for them too. And I'm sorry, but it doesn't impress me much at all. Perhaps that is why I appreciate Mr. Gore so very much for staying out of this glamour show to date. He truly believes the climate crisis is more important and does not want to make it a partisan political issue or open himself up to attacks that will defer from it.

How I wish other politicians and celebrities understood that over their egos. Especially those politicians who already have superdelegate votes. Why bother making such a scene over endorsements when you can just give them your superdelegate vote? To me, I think more times than not it is only a contest anyway and I think many politicians do it just to get back at old rivals. So in the end it means nothing to me as I can think for myself and don't need Ted Kennedy or anyone telling me how I should vote. And as much as I love and respect Al Gore, even if he were to come out and endorse Obama(which I doubt very much he would do as Obama's environmental stance is nowhere near Al Gore's ) I would respect it, but I would still vote for John Edwards if he were still in this race.

Perhaps if we were to concentrate more on actually campaigning on issues than spending our time catfighting and glamorizing these campaigns with endorsements, celebrity hype, and tit for tat politics by candidates and others using it as a way to stick it to someone else we could actually get somewhere in making progress towards solving some actual problems in this country that need tending to now.... like the climate crisis and poverty. It's nice if people really feel that to endorse someone is what they want to do, but frankly, all I have seen it as is just a chance to take news away from the other candidates for that day. Today is an important vote on telecom immunity but all we will hear is about Kennedy endorsing Obama. So much for really caring about issues. Just one big show.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:55 AM
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1. Good Morning RestoreGore, Pretty much just a puppet show, hey.
What happened to that current tv? link you used to have?
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:22 AM
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9. What does that have to so with this post?
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:36 PM
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16. I was interested in checking out new stuff over there. Sorry to be off topic.
Nevermind, I'll find it myself.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:39 PM
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17. i misunderstood...
http;//www.current.com.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:56 AM
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2. Hey, A White Guy Likes Obama! Well, Actually...
Kennedy also brings incredible campaign resources to the mix, as well. Which is why the Clintons were feverishly trying to stop him from making the endorsement over the last week.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:24 AM
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10. yes, and that makes the point. It is all about rivalries when it should be about this country
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:00 AM
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3. The media doesn't want you to hear about the issues
If they have to discuss issues they might have to mention Iraq. The fact that they tanked the economy has all but obliterated the occupation and the 4000 troops who were killed because of bu$h's lies.

The plan, keep the issues out of the news and talk about Hillary and Barack fighting and mention anyone who endorses anyone except Edwards. Mention Edwards and again you might have to talk about the issues.

We live in a spoon fed society
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:26 AM
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12. Politics is perception
A skewed perception brought upon by a willing media. Spoon fed is right.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:02 AM
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4. I have seen very little substance from our candidates.
I don't care about these endorsements either. Frankly, I don't think other politicians should make them at all. I know they have a right to do it, of course. But, it must make for some hard feelings later on when they need to work together. For instance, what happens when Ted Kennedy endorses Obama and Clinton wins the Presidency? They are making a huge deal out of these endorsements so no one talks about the issues. I would like to know about our candidates and not their endorsements.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:20 AM
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7.  I agree. Imagine if all the candidates were on a level playing field?
All with the same media coverage, same money without corporate influence, no political or celebrity endorsements... just running on who they are and what they can do for us in the future... I suspect if that were the case we would see a much more interesting campaign. Oh well, some of us can dream for a true Democratic process.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:23 AM
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28. Kucinich had substance, but he is no longer a candidate
Of the three remaining, Edwards has much more substance than the other two, and much less corporate backing. I'm shocked! SHOCKED!! at the correlation.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:06 AM
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5. Amen to that. Besides, this is clearly shaping up to be the Kennedy
machine vs. the Clinton machine, and as Teddy demonstrated so clearly back in 1980* they care more about power than party or country.



*and John Kerry demonstrated in March of 2006
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:21 AM
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8.  yes, just to say they backed a "winner" whatever that means. n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:58 AM
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6. K & R n/t
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:25 AM
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11. K&R
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:28 AM
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13. It is fair to criticize the media for giving too much attention to endorsements.
The problem is with what the mainstream media defines as "news".

"Edwards talks about renewable energy" is not defined as "news" because all the candidates in both parties are talking about energy issues on an increasingly regular basis.

"Candidate X endorsed by Y" is news if it is something that we did not know already before. But only if Candidate X has a realistic chance of winning and if Y is someone we already heard of - maybe because they have a famous name like "Kennedy".

The mainstream news media also loves stories that can be explained in 50 words or less.

It's just like Al Gore wrote about in "The Assault On Reason".
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:43 AM
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14. You think Kennedy, Kerry, Leahy aren't interested in issues?
THIMK, people. These are the liberal establishment powerhouses: they are not throwing the dice or sucking up. They don't need to.

Finally, I might ask people to think hard about this, searching deep into their souls: if Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Pat Leahy, Tony Morrison, or Tom Hadyn had endorsed your candidate, would you think it a good thing or irrelevant? Would you scorn them? Is it better to have someone's endorsement than not have it?

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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:25 PM
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15. yes, such powerhouses that Bush is still in the White House
And again, no, I wouldn't care whether or not they endorsed my candidate either and the fact that they didn't will not change my vote either. As the OP title states, I don't care about endorsements. Too bad the media does so much because in my view it doesn't help the process.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:02 PM
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18. the only endorsement that carries any weight with me is my own . . .
and I endorse John Edwards! . . . what's really frustrating is how few noted politicians, unions, and others have the balls to do the same . . .
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:03 PM
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19. K&R!
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:07 PM
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20. Obama Can Bring People Together to Pass Major Health Care and Energy Reform
Of course Ted Kennedy is thrilled that there is someone on the political stage who knows how to frame the issues that matter to us in a way that makes sense to the American people. From Obama's speech at the 2004 convention, we all saw that he understood liberalism deeply and was able to convey it in a way that hasn't been done (literally) in decades.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:24 PM
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27. Well, when Obama starts doing that let me know
because the only one I hear talking about actual issues instead of campaign slogans is John Edwards.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:08 PM
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21. If you watch Teddy speak, you will GET the point!. . . . n/t
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:11 PM
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24.  No thanks.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:10 PM
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22. I'm of an odd opinion on this board, but the 'living' Kennedys don't impress me.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:13 PM
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25. RFK to me was the greatest Kennedy
Which is why I support John Edwards, because his policies remind me of RFK. And I didn't need an endorsement to tell me that either. ;-).
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:54 PM
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23. The biggest endorsement I value is DU's collective endorsement of Edwards!
I think "collective endorsements" of a group of people that study the issues and reach beyond the corporate media speaks loudly that Senator Edwards is thinking heavily in his support for rebuilding America's middle class and tearing down the corporatocracy.

I want "the endorsement" of an informed citizenry! That's what I want, not just celebrities!
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:22 PM
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26. Yes, from the heart.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:24 AM
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29. I do too. That's why I'm strongly supporting John Edwards.
R&K
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