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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:53 AM
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Some people are just not understanding the power of Obama.
There are a lot of people around here who think Obama is somehow saying we should sacrifice our values to get the Republican's to work with us. He is not. It is a fundamental lack of understanding of what Obama can do as President, and it's basically following the Reagan model.

Let's say President Obama wants a piece of legislation passed. The Republican's are not very receptive too it. He listens to their concerns, so that he looks bi-partisan. He then goes out and gives a speech that will be carried in the news. He encourages people to support it. He uses the people to hold the feet of Congress to the fire. People will then hound Congress to pass the legislation.

Then to ensure it passes, Obama makes a few light compromises. Maybe a promise to send some type of government contract to a Senator's state or something... and because the public pressure is already on them they break down and pass what he is asking for, pretty much in the exact wording of the way he asked for it.

That is the power of appealing to Republican Voters. If Republican Voters like Obama, and they see their Republican Congressmen mistreating him... guess what? They might turn against the Congressman. Obama's appeal to Republican's is good for Democrats in highly conservative states, where he can campaign on behalf of Democrats running for office.

Because conservatives respect him, they are more inclined to support the guy he's campaigning for - thereby increasing the influence of the Democratic Party, letting us take seats we could not otherwise. Additionally, it can be used as a weapon against Republican's who get in the way. Having Obama campaign for a virtually unknown candidate against an incumbent Republican drastically alters that candidate's chances of winning.

Hillary could never bring that to the table. If she campaigned for a Democrat in a highly conservative state or area, she would only harm the chances of that candidate.

This is the power of Obama. It is about wielding power in a gracious yet effective way, a way that brings people together rather than alienating them.

If Obama wins the Republican Party will remain fractured, the old Reagan coalition forever shattered and broken. We will finally be the unified party while they slip off into various battling factions. It is the perfect window to begin shifting the country back to the left - away from the right.

Am I the only one who sees this as Obama's true power? :shrug:
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:03 AM
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1. This is exactly why I think he'll be more effective than the other candidates
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:40 AM
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27. Hillary has been doing what Obama claims he wants to do and
not only does she get no credit for it, she gets slammed for it. Just as Bill gets slammed for working thin GH Bush to raise money for AIDS.

You folks are just haters so give it up.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:14 AM
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42. What has HRC done of substance that demonstrates that
I think Bill is working with GHWB to raise money for the Tsunami not AIDS - that he was doing with his foundation. Clinton as President did far less on AIDS in Africa than Bush has done. Bush got considerably more funding - that will be better used when a Democratic President - any - will get rid of the no talking about condom rules. (Kerry was the force behind the legislation which he got Frist to join him on.)
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:04 AM
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2. OMG make it stop.
We get it. You hate Hillary Clinton.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:09 AM
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6. feel the power brother cboy. the Obama power. nt.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:04 AM
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3. I see that you believe that.
But I don't.

:shrug:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:07 AM
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4. Obama's "power" is in his oratory. He has no major accomplishments. "Talk is cheap".(eom)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:15 AM
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43. Obama has accomplishments - including his ethics reform
He also got health care through in Illinois.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:08 AM
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5. And some people just don't understand the power of the Flying
Spaghetti Monster.

Heathens.
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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:44 AM
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29. FSM doesn't talk much though, so I think that's understandable. NT
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:46 AM
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31. You must believe to hear him.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:11 AM
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7. You've captured the upside to an Obama presidency. And it's a substantial upside..
Very well put.

But DU'ers who've settled for other candidates won't hear you.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:11 AM
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8. The "power of Obama?"
Wow. Not sure what to say to that other than just...wow.



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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:12 AM
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9. its the new jesus christ messiah savior thing come to save true believers nt
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:18 AM
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16. Get with the program!!!

Obama quote:

“At some point in the evening, a light is going to shine down and you will have an epiphany and you’ll say, ‘I have to vote for Barack.’”

Messiah complex anyone?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:24 AM
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21. He was joking when he said that, I thought. (nt)
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:26 AM
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24. I don't know. I've only seen it in print. nt
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:14 AM
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10. That is potential power
And unfortunately at this point it is merely the power of personality.

Now, that should not be underestimated! And I think that is largely understood by those of us who stand with other candidates. Our concerns revolve largely around the degree to which his campaign rhetoric has emphasized change in stark contrast to policy positions which appear (to me at least) to represent at best incremental adjustments. Speaking strictly for myself, my charge against him is that his compelling rhetoric is not backed by a similarly lofty action plan.

And now I must also come to his defense. That incremental approach could be strategic in nature ... a realistic approach that represents a starting point for a more ambitious agenda to evolve. My problem as a voter is that I cannot rely on that. I can therefore regard Obama with hope, but not with expectations.

One more observation. Whoever enters the oval office next year must lead the country out of a titanic mess. The last incoming president to face that much wreckage was Jimmy Carter. Carter turned out to be a one term president, and this next president is likely to be in the same position. People want results ... but if history is indication, results are obtained only through right minded action applied over a period of years. This mess will not be cleaned up over night.

In that context, Obama's ability to mobilize the people may well prove to be the most crucial asset of all.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:15 AM
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11. First you lecture us on age and how "we" have messed up the country.
Now you lecture us on Obama.

Give it a rest.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:16 AM
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13. But 0bama can cure leprosy with his touch. NT
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:15 AM
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12. The Power of Obama
has not seemed to work on me?

May I safely conclude that I am more powerful than Obama?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:18 AM
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15. The OP's funniest idea is that Conservatives "respect" Obama.
No idea at all of what he'd be in for if he won.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:25 AM
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22. I was hoping they meant the electorate...
but even then...
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:37 AM
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26. Yes, the conservatives
are literally licking their lips
at the prospect of Obama possibly
winning. He will reach across that
aisle and promptly get his hand bit.
Obama is an excellent speaker as long
as he is 'on script', he does not do
near as well at the 'off the cuff'
speaking either. He comes off as
someone who is attempting to skate through
life on personality, looks and charm.
He talks a good game but, hitting the
wrong button not once, not twice, but
5 times!?!?!? I do not buy that for one
second, he is an educated man, how hard
can it be to mash the right button. I
think he was playing politics then, trying
to appease the opposition by voting in their
favor and then stating he 'made a mistake' to
keep his constituents happy.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:43 AM
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28. The Conservatives will, of course, try to gut any Dem, no matter who it is. The naivete of the OP
or others who think Obama will be treated with respect is amazing.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:42 AM
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45. You sum it up well. My underlying problems with Obama are (1)
he has never faced any serious opposition until now and in the general election the Repubs would slice and dice him - Edwards and Hillary have that behind them, old news, and (2)Obama has no record of ever having run anything and we are moving into a very dangerous and difficult time for our country. As for "bringing us together," no chance. If anything, economic hard times will splinter us further. His message of "hope" is simply a prayer.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:05 AM
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38. I know...I know many Republicans. They don't., and won't, when it really matters
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:20 AM
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17. I think Any Of The Candidates
Will Have The Power because with a dem president and congress they have the power to get things done whether it's John, Barack, or Hillary. :)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:26 AM
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23. Good point... and welcome to DU!
:hi:
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:28 AM
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25. Well said....we truly have an "embarrassment of riches"
Fine candidates across the board.

Welcome to DU!
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:16 AM
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14. The Early 1990s called, they want their Nintendo ads back!
"Now you are playing with power: Super Power!"

:eyes:
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:21 AM
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18. I see it as a cult.
Cult mentality.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:45 AM
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30. Sometimes I wonder with us humans
how we tend to utilize our pea brains.

Could be a disability problem.


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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:22 AM
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19. Am I the only one who sees this as Obama's true power?

No you're not, there are majority like you, don't be despondent, it may
look gloomier but it'll all come around.


Thanks for Posting by the way.

I'm on my way to D.C, Senator Obama will be speaking
at the American University today, looking forward to
getting inspired, from what i've heard, its an
experience, once you're touched, its hard to get
switched off.




:thumbsup: :dem:
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:23 AM
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20. So, Obama will buy off the GOP with pork barrel projects?
Is that the gist of Obama's "power"? That's the best the rest of us have to hope for?

What makes you think this is a "new" idea in politics?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:46 AM
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32. what is he? laundry detergent?
:shrug:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:47 AM
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34. He's the Emperor's New Clothes. Only fools can't see them.
:-)
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:11 AM
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41. New, improved. Now with more BS!
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 11:12 AM by robbedvoter
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:17 AM
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44. I think I'm rubbing off on you
:hi:

:rofl:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:47 AM
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33. You got it, Meldread!
Obama has what it takes to make new coalitions and make progressive ideals acceptable to new people.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:03 AM
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35. The power of Obama? lol BTW, most Repubs don't like him...
And BTW, I don't think we NEED to court Republicans now. It is our turn!!! What is wrong with being Democrat, liberal, whatever you want to call it, and PROUD???
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:04 AM
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36. The power of Obama?
Ooooooooookay!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:04 AM
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37. Oh, I understand it all right! MSM does too! Gephardt, Daschle also did, Joementum
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 11:14 AM by robbedvoter
whom I heard was Obama's mentor - also does.
Say it with me:
BIPARTISANSHIP


MMMMM! SMELL THE BS!
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:06 AM
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39. Yep, reminds me a lot of Lieberman.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:07 AM
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40. Yeah, but nobody likes Bush and look how that is holding him back.
I agree that this is one of Obama's strength and it may get him elected. However I think it's pretty much proven now that once you're in office you can do whatever you want, regardless of how you're polling.

I disagree with you on HIllary - she is being played up as not being able to work with Republicans, but she can do it, and has done it. Obama is running the more 'likable' campaign so far, though.
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:27 PM
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46. Oh I get it alright....sort of like David Koresh? Jim Jones?
And I dont mean a murderer, dont get your panties in a twist!

He would have done VERY VERY well as a motivaional speaker. He's a MARVELOUS speaker, truly. But I dont see much substance or accomplishments and I HAVE looked. He has the 'power' to speak and mezmorize, but beyond that....

:shrug:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:36 PM
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47. Yes, because 100's of thousands marching against the Invasion had SUCH an effect!
"He uses the people to hold the feet of Congress to the fire. People will then hound Congress to pass the legislation."

Riiiiight.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:38 PM
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48. His power = good speaker
the rest is fluff.
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