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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:13 AM
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Great article about Edwards' electability and strange disappearance from head-to-head polls
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-savan/could-edwards-beat-mccain_b_83371.html


Could Edwards Beat McCain? The Polls Won't Tell Us
Posted January 26, 2008 | 10:26 AM (EST)

Yesterday's Zogby poll has Edwards within Iowa-like striking distance of Hillary for second place in today's South Carolina primary. "The real movement here is by John Edwards, who is the only one who continues to gain ground in our three-day tracking poll," writes John Zogby, attributing most of the gains to previously undecided African American voters.

White dude rising? We'll soon find out. But the mainstream media, long determined to ignoreEdwards and keep this a feisty, feuding two-person race http://www.johnedwards.com/media/video/where-is-john/ , is not letting him show his stuff where it currently counts--against McCain.

Thursday night, Tim Russert was oohing over how close a McCain-Obama or McCain-Hillary race would be: the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal head-to-head match-up poll shows McCain beating Hillary by two points and tying with Obama; Obama and Hillary each clobbered Romney, Giuliani, and Huckabee. When I saw that Edwards wasn't part of the six-pol poll, my jaded jaw almost dropped.

Though I shouldn't have been surprised. CNN also disappeared the former North Carolina senator from its most recent (mid-January) head-to-head poll--even though Edwards was the only Dem to beat McCain in its previous (mid-December) match-up. At the time, CNN polling director Keating Holland wrote, "Edwards is the only Democrat who beats all four Republicans, and McCain is the only Republican who beats any of the three Democrats. Some might argue this shows that they are the most electable candidates in their respective parties."

Why wouldn't CNN include its own previous chart-topper? Don't know. CNN wouldn't return my calls. Granted, a lot has changed in the last month, and other polls have also bumped Edwards from their January match-ups. Granted, too, Edwards is doing poorly in national polls. But so far, Edwards (unlike the shamefully treated Paul and Kucinich) is still deemed debate-worthy. Shouldn't Democrats as well as Republicans have access to information on how all their candidates stand in hypothetical general election contests?

Eviction from "electability" polls is bad enough, but CNN's Bill Schneider and even the esteemed Factcheck.org have called Edwards "misleading" for citing, at the CNN debate last Saturday, his winning performance in the December CNN poll. "It's literally true , but still misleading," Factcheck writes, because, "there is a MORE recent CNN poll, one that shows either Clinton or Obama beating McCain and doesn't include Edwards."

Talk about Chinese finger puzzles, self-fulfilling prophesies, chicken and eggs.

No matter. MSM has moved on. Edwards's new designation is "kingmaker." On Friday, the Wall Street Journal, NBC's polling partner, tsked-tsked that "Mr. Edwards has all but dropped from sight. Generally ignored by the national press and with a campaign bankroll a fraction the size of his rivals," the best Edwards can hope for is to swing his accumulated delegates toward Obama's or Hillary's nomination.

That's no doubt true. By February 6, Democrats are likely to be stuck with the two weakest candidates. As Marc Cooper wrote here, once Hillary locks up the nomination, the rumors about Bill will come fully unzipped, diminishing her chances in November. Meanwhile, Obama's numbers among whites are dropping, largely because of Billary's attacks, whether you consider them to be coded racist appeals or merely color-blind Rove-ian hit jobs.

If I didn't know better, I'd say that by cutting off the race's possibly strongest Democrat--first from media coverage and now from polls--the corporate media could be misleading us toward another Republican administration.
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:17 AM
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1. Yes, GREAT article
and DAMN RIGHT!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:22 AM
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60. Kick and remember..WED. is another DONATION DAY at the
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 09:33 AM by Gloria
Edwards site, not Act Blue!!
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:17 AM
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2. This one statement says it all:
the corporate media could be misleading us toward another Republican administration


Why people are too stupid to see that, I can't understand. I guess they're just too wound up in making history. And they will, it just won't have the outcome they hoped it would. :(
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:20 AM
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4. I know...it blows my mind that people seem to be ok with being fleeced -- again.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:33 AM
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8. Sad that for so many
Who "really" want change, are going for "making history"! Sure it may be history that one of them get the nomination, but the odds of them becoming president are not that good. Instead of going for the canidate with substance, and a real chance to win, they go for "making history"! Sadly it may be "history" if we are stuck with another republican who will further ruin this country!

I wonder how all these people who want to make history will feel when the dems lose, again? Will they think it was worth it, or will the see the mistake they made, after it's to late?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:03 PM
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25. They'll blame it on anything or anyone but their candidate and themselves, bet on it.
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:07 PM
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36. it really is sad...
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:44 AM
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65. You're exactly correct. And now that all the Kennedy clan has weighed in w/ Obama,
we're really starting to see how the power players in this country keep the status quo going. I STILL don't understand how KUCINICH threw his weight behind Obama. And now the whole Kennedy clan. Does this country just insist on having a presidential race so close that it can be stolen again, or so close that it APPEARS to the masses that the republican party is still viable?

:argh: I'm just so sick of all of it.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:57 AM
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66. Some Just Won't Believe Til They Actually See It After GE... Your
prediction is MY prediction! Not only because of what BIG BUSINESS and MSM is doing, but also because so many people I KNOW have become so very "turned off" by what is happening. So many I know are either for Kucinich or Edwards! Since Kucinich has dropped out they've switched to Edwards, but so many of them say they will sit out the GE if either Clinton or Obama are the nominee!

Think I'm kidding? You hide and watch!! I've talked to far too many people who feel this way, and I'm one of them!! And my family of 10 right here in Florida who support John Edwards! We WILL boycott, they will be NO NEED for fraud THIS TIME around... we concede!

I most certainly DO realize that this seems so far out, and not supportive, but do tell.... JUST WHAT HAS BEEN FAIR up until now??? We will stick with what we believe in our HEART!!! I have no crystal ball... but they, all of THEY who keep blowing smoke up everyone's ASS will be the last one's laughing! JMO!

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:34 AM
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9. That would be the key to it all
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:35 AM
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10. Delete -- Dupe
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 11:37 AM by Yael
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:59 PM
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23. "Why people are too stupid to see that, I can't understand." Simple.
Starry eyed and want too be on the winning team and like you said,just too wound up in making history. And I agree, it won't have the outcome they hoped it would. And we ALL along with the rest of the World's inhabitants will suffer for it. x(
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:17 PM
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29. The human race is too stupid to function objectively.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:19 AM
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3. "Edwards was the only Dem to beat McCain in its previous (mid-December) match-up"
so they cut him out in January.

*sigh*
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:20 AM
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5. I would love to see Edwards emerge and the media having
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 11:21 AM by alyce douglas
egg on their faces.

just keep on giving whatever you can in donations to Edwards.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:22 AM
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6. Funny, they poll 4 pugs and 2 Dems-
If there is anyone left out there that thinks he's had a fair deal here, then I have a bridge to sell you.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:38 AM
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12. JRE is at ~20%. Rudy is at like 2%
It makes no sense other than he "was" the story and the media can't admit that they were wrong in annointing him.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:46 AM
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15. This is what's scary-
It makes perfect sense, if you understand why they do it.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:52 PM
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17. Because they are all corrupt?
or just morally and ethivcally bankrupt?
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:54 PM
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20. I don't know what it is Yael-
But the scary thing to me, is that maybe they are doing what they are told. What do you think it is?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:01 PM
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24. I don't trust Wall Street, Rocky. I think most of them would sell their own
grandmother for a nickel.
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:37 AM
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50. Rocky.......asdjrocky....
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 12:39 AM by pauldg0
....do you think we could entice a major news announcer to admitt his news corporation is blocking certain politicians from equal press. He would be a hero for coming to the rescue of America. This person would never have to worry about unemployment again...he would be a hero ..he could write many books about his bravery.

If say for example a Lou Dobbs type...would say in a commentary some night.."CNN, I have had it with you, I'm out of here, we journalists have had it with the crooks in this company and are ruining/controlling this election as well as our nation ...

...sounds corny Rocky but that person or even several could fall out and make a name or names for themselves.

IT'S getting late and maybe I'm going nuts.....that kind of dream did cross my mind though.

I'm for Edwards all the way!!!! P.S. I forgot they tape those shows....duh!!!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:04 PM
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26. All of the above?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:15 PM
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46. The "chatter" here seems to suggest that people believe all this crap --- ?????
Edwards is being cut out so they don't have the mess of dealing with the issues he raises ---
You'll be left with two corporate candidates ---
and then the attacks will begin which will pave the way for a GOP win ---

When are Democrats going to wake up---???
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:25 AM
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7. Yes, once again
Corporate america wins, and the people of this country lose.

What they are doing is so obvious, yet so many people buy into this crap! Even if Obama or Hillary win the general, do we really get any change?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:05 PM
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27. "There are none so blind as those who will not see." Or something like that.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:37 AM
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11. Is Zogby not asking the question, or are they simply not publishing the answers?
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:42 AM
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13. I would be curious to know...
and not at all surprised if they were asking and the results weren't being published...

:banghead:
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:40 PM
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31. On the Z...poll I took last week they ask about McCain and Edwards
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:23 PM
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33. Funny how we're not hearing about those results then.... nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:17 PM
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47. Zogby was very accurate --- and their results became very unpopular ---
I'm sure there's pressure on them ---
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:43 AM
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14. I'm glad I'm not alone in this realization.
"If I didn't know better, I'd say that by cutting off the race's possibly strongest Democrat--first from media coverage and now from polls--the corporate media could be misleading us toward another Republican administration."

And the corporate media may also get a permanent Democratic divide (bonus) out of the deal too. The "race bait" crap we're playing into could have a lasting impact on the Democratic Party. And, just when you think Democrats "can't lose."

It is my hope that some in the MSM underestimate Barack Obama, and that Hillary Clinton as a "known" factor, doesn't likely have negatives that can get much higher?

On an up note, that video is brilliant! I hope the campaign will send it to the MSM in the form of a Press Release.
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:19 PM
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16. The campaign posted it on their website last week...
I think I saw one clip of it on the MSM anywhere...they still don't care even when the proof is right in front of them.

And it's SO FUCKING FRUSTRATING when his support jumps after every debate, the only time when he gets almost equitable coverage, at least until after when the pundits ignore him again. :mad:

Sorry I just had to get that off my chest. I'm good again. :hi:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:06 PM
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28. ...
:grouphug:
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:17 PM
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32. thanks :-)
:hug:
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:26 PM
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18. The MSM is the pied piper
leading the lemmings over the cliff and our country closer to fascism.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:53 PM
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35. Great analogy.
Scary, too.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:26 PM
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19. Wow!
An actual journalist bothering to uncover the truth of corruption. A shining, rare example of real reporting by exposing the facts.

There is no other reason for Edwards to be dropped from the polls as the strongest contender to beat republicans, other than the obvious fact that the republicans are behind it.

It makes me not trust any of it; the polls, the diebold machines, the media exit polls, and so on.
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:51 PM
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34. amazing, isn't it nt
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:12 PM
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37. Horrifying more like it. But what should we expect?
x(
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:19 PM
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38. sadly so true.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:55 PM
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21. Edwards doesn't belong in head-to-head polls.
He has zero chance of being the nominee, and everyone on the planet knows it.
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:33 PM
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39. I hate myself for responding to this...
But, of course he belongs in the polls, he is getting enough of the vote to be considered viable and receive delegates. On top of that, and more importantly, he does better than the other two against ALL of the repukes, by more than the margin of error...something that should matter to the voters, but most of them are apparently too stupid to take notice because all of the hoopla about the history being made is more interesting...


:wtf:
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desertflamingo Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:54 AM
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52. whatever.
EDWARDS '08
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:11 AM
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56. Really? Because I think there are a few delegates left ----->
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 07:14 AM by onehandle
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:57 PM
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22. Kick!!!
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:39 PM
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30. Obama and his wife caused the drop in White voters by introducing race in the vote
You can't have your candy and eat it to.
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:04 PM
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40. kick :-)
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:09 PM
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41. Due to limited media scrutiny of his campaign, Edwards overperforms in head to head matchups.
He serves the role of "generic Democrat" in these polls. I wouldn't be surprised if one looked at the "generic Democrat" matchups vs Edwards numbers they would be very similar.

If he were to be thrust into the spotlight his numbers would come right back down to earth in these matchups.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:39 PM
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42. K & R!!!!!!!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:56 PM
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43. f*ck the corporations
AKA 'the media'. They clearly see that John is the most electable and refuse to give him equal time, if any at all. I've seen John on several shows, but they only wish to badger him about 'why are you staying in this race when it appears you have no shot', and such, to badger his #'s.

I love the Edwards' response to them, however, and he is still getting new campaign donors every day in good numbers! Keep fighting the fight John, who knows, you may end up getting the biggest share of the white vote across the country, not just in SC as they barely mentioned.



GO JOHN!
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:06 PM
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44. GE Anoints OBAMA and McCain
After the SOTU tonight, and after the Dem response, MSNBC had two guests
Obama and McCain.

Mathews lead the McCain 'interview' and Olbermann lead the Obama interview. Both were fluff pieces.

Clinton was mentioned in passing and Edwards wasn't mentioned.

GE has now chosen our Candidates.

I didn't see what happened on CNN and I don't care what happened on FOX. Maybe someone can fill me in.


Sorry kids - Grandpa McCain is a waste of tiem and Obama simply does not give me hop or inspire me. We are screwed.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:12 PM
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45. Does Wall St want a reformer in the White House?
night, Tim Russert was oohing over how close a McCain-Obama or McCain-Hillary race would be: the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal head-to-head match-up poll shows McCain beating Hillary by two points and tying with Obama; Obama and Hillary each clobbered Romney, Giuliani, and Huckabee. When I saw that Edwards wasn't part of the six-pol poll, my jaded jaw almost dropped.

Personally, I don't believe any of this crap that's going on --
and if we can't believe our election results, how can we believe primary results or polls????

McCain --- ????
McCain is an OLD, very OLD short, SHORT guy . . .
who wants war ---
"bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" --

and who knows nothing about the economy ---
and worst of all, he a fanatical right-wing Repug --- !!!!!

Cindy Sheehan should be able to beat McCain --- !!!


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7horses Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:29 PM
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48. Wake up America...
Vote Edwards.:kick:
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:35 PM
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49. Yes, much more calculated manipulation than we suspect?
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:22 AM
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51. Kickin' this
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:08 AM
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53. rumors about Bill will come fully unzipped
? which rumors.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:48 AM
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54. "White Dude Rising" That's great.
k&r
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:24 AM
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55. He's just not pulling it off. Of the three, I strongly prefer him. But...
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 05:29 AM by autorank
it's not happening. Sure the corporate media is doing a job on him but he won't break through. People don't buy him as a real populist. While I support his platform, I can't disagree with those with questions. IWR, Bankruptcy 2001, Patriot Act - those were all Yes votes. He needs an explanation for his conversion experience, which he obviously had, and he needs to just haul ass, which he always seems to be verging on. With the media, why doesn't he kick up a storm and make smashing the media monopolies a key part of his platform? I think we're stuck with one of the other two unless the convention is brokered, in which case Gore may jump in.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:29 AM
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62. It is the press who decides who is electable and who is not
and that is a fact. The press belongs to the pukes and that is a fact. We either deal with that head on or continue to lose.....everything.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 03:33 PM
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70. Right, and the media are just PR shops for corporate America which owns the outlets.
It's like a science experiment where you don't control for outside variables but still call it a scientific experiment. They say, look the system worked, everything is fine. But they fail to mention the outside influence - lies non stop from the media, no accountability through the judicial system, and a huge money barrier that allows only those who have their own money or are willing to sell themselves a piece at a time to get it.

We do have to take it on in a big way. Our country is one of the few places where the idea of social and economic mobility exists and people expected it. If we're smashed and controlled, "management" thinks they'll have nothing to worry about.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:32 AM
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57. K & R
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:45 AM
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58. Keith Olberman failed to mention him last night too (sotu).
I don't know if it was oversight or what, but I was watching after sotu, and I thought why is everyone ignoring Edwards?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:21 AM
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59. Yes and that was ominously surprising
It seems to coincide with Olbermans meteoric rise to the top and his being included in all the political debate of primary coverage.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:28 AM
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61. Edwards has the longest coattails! nt
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:53 AM
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63. MSM is Vile
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 09:54 AM by Irishonly
Journalism has changed. Presenting facts isn't the first objective and it hasn't been for a long time. Shoddy reporting and journalists making editorial comments isn't something new. Reread:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/10/gore200710 if you have forgotten what journalists did to Al Gore in 2000.

The Dean scream after Iowa dominated the news in 2004. Kerry could do not wrong until it was apparent he would win the nomination. I don't recall very many journalists willing to take the swift boaters on. The corporate MSM still doesn't expose the scandals in the Bush administration to my satisfaction. Now Dean writes books. There are no Watergate type of reporters.

Edwards is an anti corporate candidate and the corporate media isn't going to cover him. The plans have been laid. Ignore Edwards, Hillary and Bill are villains and Obama is a saint. It is working or at least it is as far as I can tell on DU.

No matter how low repukes numbers go they still get coverage. The front page of MSNBC news is dominated by the republican candidates (exception of Paul) and the Clintons and Obama. All democrats should be outraged at the soap opera portrayed by the media of Clinton and Obama, the ignoring of Edwards and how Biden, Dodd and Kuchinich when they were still running. It's too bad some supporters can't see the forest for the trees.
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:31 AM
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64. Another Repub Administration OR..
a Democratic Administration they can 'work well' with.
Either way it's a frightening situation!
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:03 AM
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67. Ah, but you do know better...
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 11:03 AM by MsMagnificent
iris5426 wrote:
If I didn't know better, I'd say that by cutting off the race's possibly strongest Democrat--first from media coverage and now from polls--the corporate media could be misleading us toward another Republican administration.

Most of us do know that is exactly what the corporate media is doing, here; along with most other liberals/progressives.

We need to educate the rest of the U.S. of what is being done to John Edwards
...and to us.

We can't be the only ones who care, can we?
Do the non-liberal Democrats know?
I hope not.
If we are the only ones who care, if the non-liberal (DLC, etc.) Democrats do know (and by their silence indicate they do not care) -- this once-magnificent country is beyond saving.

The absolute saddest thing is it needs to be saved from not a foreign enemy, but from itself.


edit: K & R, of course!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:39 PM
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73. We tried...
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:04 AM
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68. Could Bruce Lee beat up Santa Claus?
It's a question that simply isn't worth asking. It's not going to happen. It's like asking if Gravel could beat Paul, or Edwards beat McCain...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:10 AM
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69. But American's are too stupid to see through it.
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indigoblue Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:31 PM
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71. Disgusting...
Kick!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:11 PM
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72. "Who's afraid of John Edwards?"
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