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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:37 PM Original message |
The process of seating MI and FL delegates...some good diaries. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. Here is Ben Smith's statement from The Politico |
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allinktup (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. If they do decide to seat the delegates |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Otherwise it's cheating |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. that makes total sense, |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. Not An Option |
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huddledmass (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
44. Senator Obama |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 05:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
46. Absolutely! |
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vssmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
47. Agreed |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. And Florida already turned down the caucus option Ben mentions |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
39. Problems With A Caucus |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. madfloridian, thank you so much for your facts and research and sanity |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I don't think people want to read about the rules and facts. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Dean and Pelosi both said the nominee would seat the delegates. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. I am sorry, but you are not paying attention to the rules. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Embarrassed, why? I seem to be articulating the issue well. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. I believe Dean's words were that the nominee would seat them...IF.. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Deans words were that the nominee could chose to seat them. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Technically, the whole thing is a moot issue. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. It's not FL voters' fault, even you can agree with that one. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. It is the fault of Florida Demcrats. Period. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Oh, so now that you were wrong, it's moot? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. What was I wrong about. Please be specific. |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
8. thanx for the info! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Kick for people that don't get it, this falls fast. |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Just a follow up question: |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Politics. Why vote to fun the Iraq War after stating that you weren't going to? |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. so because the republicans wanted to move up the date, democrats had to also... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Ok, that did it. I am so damn tired of the whining that the GOP picked on them. |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. so both the democratic and republican parties wanted to move up the date? n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Yes. They did it to be relevant...knowing the votes would not count. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. You know, I don't understand your agenda. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. You are attacking my character and credibility. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. YES, and that was BEFORE |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. so the florida democrats who wanted to move the primary date up... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Yes, they were told repeatedly by Dean and other DNC officials. |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. let me get this straight, the florida state legislature can order both parties to move... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. The vote was 115 to 1, with Democrats approving it? |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. That's the way it was reported... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. It is all lies. They laughed their own amendments off the floor. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. You are quoting the Florida Dem party homepage. That page was biased |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. They wanted the stage the week before Feb. 5.... |
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george_maniakes (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. "assumed candidate"...could you clarify that? |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. and the powers that be here know whom they want crowned. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Yes. They have. |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
45. Wrong. There ARE no Florida Democrats. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
42. If someone catches the transcript from Countdown tonight... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
43. TAP has a very good article about the delegate process and |
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Midwest Progressive (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
48. It pains me to say it |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Not after they were warned repeatedly. |
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Midwest Progressive (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Issue being, how should the DNC have responded? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Those were the rules. They knew what would happen. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
50. Apparently FL and MI delegates won't count unless clear decision already made. |
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Midwest Progressive (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. The DNC keeping New Hampshire and Iowa first is indefensible |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. No, they could change the primary system other ways. |
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Midwest Progressive (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Putting Iowa and New Hampshire first makes no sense |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I think some small states must go first. |
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Midwest Progressive (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. We'll have to agree o disagree on that, my friend |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Oh, we do disagree. Two big states were bullies |
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Midwest Progressive (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Peace n/t |
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