Who snubbed whom? Is THIS what everyone is so upset about?

Give me a break. I googled to try and find a video of the "snub" (which I couldn't find), but I found this site: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iwAZfoVaIxMG3gK2KY4tpS9QN0NQD8UFA9K80

which has AP photos of the moment. It looks like, to me, that this can be interpreted in a number of ways. One thing is obvious. Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy each reached across Barack Obama to shake hands, and Obama leaned back to allow them to do so. Did Clinton reach across first, or did Kennedy? And, did Obama even see Clinton coming (she is up the aisle to Obama's back. Who is there to provide evidence that Clinton didn't walk away and not acknowledge Obama?

There is NO picture (that I found) where Clinton was extending a hand to Obama where he could see it and return the gesture. Neither is there a picture where Obama extended a hand to Clinton.

In other words, Obama MIGHT have snubbed Clinton. Then again, Clinton MIGHT have snubbed Obama. Or, both may have wanted to avoid each other.

In any case, all the brouhaha around here about a "snubbed handshake" is utter bullhockey.

I say we all start thinking about snubbing both of the childish acting candidates and their campaigns, and support the adult in this race--John Edwards.

To answer your question: Teddy reached his hand out to Hillary

...people on either side of Ted. Obama ignored her the whole time. The BS advisor on TV just now said he wasn't trying to "crowd" them, but he was within fucking earshot the whole damn time. It's a joke of epic proportions. He ignored her. He snubbed her.

which means that what you have said is hearsay. Hillary could easily have been the one to snub Obama. All the griping is utter BS.

like the look on Hillary's face and she is practically knocking that woman out of the way. Staged for perception.

make a mountain out of a molehill so to speak to try and take the spark out of the Kennedy endorsement.

It hasn't gotten much traction and it won't. If it does, expect Kennedy to set the record straight.

Clinton isn't doing anything.

Has she even mentioned it?

"Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy each reached across Barack Obama to shake hands, and Obama leaned back to allow them to do so"

They don't appear to have reached across Obama. He isn't leaning back. I see Kennedy leaning leftward reaching to Clinton's hand. Obama has his back turned.

Is there a different photo showing what you saw?

on their own biased point of view? It looks like to me that Obama is looking down at the floor to see if he can move a little further to his left to let fat Teddy get around him.

But the other two aren't reaching across him in the photo at all. I don't appreciate my point of view being called "biased." That was unnecessary.

And, our views, try as we might, are contaminated by them. Again, my apologies...I wasn't meaning to aim that at you, personally.

And I agree with the general point.

He is reaching to his right, as you say.

That's the kicker to refute all these creative interpretations. Is this a man who's thinking "Oh, I'll just let Ted & Hillary have a private moment, I'm considerate like that." Or is this one who's thinking, "Oh no, here comes that horrible woman who's trying to destroy my future as the next JFK. And now she wants to act all nicey-nice? I don't THINK so. Talk to the hand, Hillary." I vote for the latter. This is Obama in a snit, which isn't the best side of him.

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You ask a good question.

The Obama people are far more outraged by this than the Clinton people.

They're so cranked up that they don't even wait for corroboration anymore -- they just jump. Then, when they get a little control of themselves, they recite the "anything-to-win-dirty-Billary-monster" mantra.

Obviously, not all of them, but it appears that we only have one or two here at DU who DON'T follow that script.

When are Obama's policy wonks going to start discussing issues and proposals? That's how *I'll* be making my mind up. I've seen a number of discussions of Hillary's proposals and records, and they get swamped by screeds and screaming. NOBODY in Obama's camp here at DU is doing anything other than recycling press and RW talking points defaming Hillary and Bill Clinton. That's not exactly high-road stuff.

It's also why I switched allegiances about a month ago. Not even out of spite; if BHO is depending on that kind of raw emotional reaction to get into power, I want no part of it. Cults of personality scare me, no matter whose they are. But I'm still convinced it's almost completely confined to the "politics junkies". Obama on the issues is far more persuasive than Obama's followers spreading their version of "hope".

--p!

I'm amazed Clinton supporters are so riled up about this.

At the moment, I don't give a shit WHO wins the primaries, as long as they're over soon. :cry:

For most of this primary season I've felt I'd be happy if ANY of our candidates won.
But this crap has just gone too far and I can't take it anymore.
The Clintons (and the Clintonistas) have totally repulsed me to their cause.
The whining and the distortions, not just in the media but HERE on DU
are hamfistedly transparent and totally counterproductive.
I cannot support a campaign that is this freaking pathetic.
UGH !!!! Sorry Clintons, you've lost my support.

"And Obama also maneuvered himself to shake Bush's hand. They exchanged smiles and, in the true Texas style of governors greeting legislators, Bush said, "Hey, buddy, how's it going?"
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/01/realpals.html

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