Some of you don't seem to get that "Snub" moments are exactly how people decide to vote

Sad, but true.

Most Americans are not political junkies like we all are.

They make their decisions, especially in presidential elections, based on character cues - brief incidents in a debate or onstage, when they get a glimpse into what they perceive as the heart and soul of a candidate.

Reagan virtually won the nomination in a debate early on when he got angry and saidi "I paid for this microphone." Rightwingers ate it up.

"You're likable enough, Hillary", whether you like it or not, may have cost Obama New Hampshire, as it is exactly that type of moment.

This is why the "Snub" won't go away, and for students of American politics, regardless of which side we're on, it's another lesson in modern American media and the instant communication age, when the glare of the klieg lights captures every single raw moment in a candidate's day.

Most Americans, unfortunately, make their decisions on small incidents like this. Hillary has had her share of personality missteps and they have damaged her at times, as well.

This is how America is. It may be depressing, or interesting, depending on your perspective.

But this is how America makes its mind up.

I do.

People will remember the arrogance of Obama caught in one still frame.

my wife and I were talking about that the other day with friends. When watching that debate I told my wife at the time Clinton just won the Presidency.

the defense is "she started it?"

Do you understand how stupid that sounds, and how dumb this entire thing is?

it could go away if Obama supporters would just say he shouldn't have done it and move on.

"Little" things like that will kill him in a general election.

The press gobbled that up like it came in a troth.

when you put on an Obama avatar? HRC was incredibly gracious when she walked over to shake Ted's hand.

It looks like she also interrupted a conversation between Ted and Obama to get the photo op as well.

I don't think Ted or Hillary are as thin skinned as DUers want them to be.

or opt to keep reading your posts for their sheer entertainment value. I'll keep reading :rofl:

He even said so.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4264495&mesg_id=4265052

If a man loses and shakes hands with his adversary, it's good sportsmanship, but if a woman loses and shakes hands, it's "very rude". Can you imagine that?

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Including DUers.

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Look at the effect Bush 1 looking at his watch had.

I don't think this will make or break Obama's run. But I don't think the potential power of these moments is to be understimated.

There is no power in this moment.

than allowing a bigot to MC and speak during his gospel tour, but it certainly gives a hint at his personality. Why did you even bring McClurkin up?

everytime I post something.

How original.

Your track record on what will bring Obama down sucks. And you're keeping it intact with this thread.

deal with it.

and here he goes again with another case of crap political judgment.

but it was important enough for me to decide that Obama wasn't the person I thought he was, and there was no way in hell I could support him.

and I think you're smarter than that.

situation and the fact that he turned his back on the very public protests and pleas of the GBLT community was enough for me to cross him off my list.

That was such a fixable problem and he botched it.

Too bad you're not "smarter than that".

but that's the one you obsess on.

Wonder why.

He went from a doddering wimp to a "commanding" (cough, choke) figure in the perception of many.

Obama got slapped with the "petty and childish" paint. And he did it all by himself.

It may stick, it may not. But I must say, I get a major kick out of all of the threads here, hectoring people and telling them to PAY NO ATTENTION to this matter because THEY say so!!

Talk about flopsweat!

I think the media's four year bash-fest of Carter as an incompetent fool might have had something to do with it too. Plus the fact that Reagan promised people money and a voodoo answer to stagflation. The same way Bush Sr. got bashed for several years as a wimp and the timing of the post-war recession. Clinton also p3wned Bush in one debate by pointing out Prescott Bush's opposition to McCarthy.

NIGHTLINE was a GOP ad.

If Carter hadn't failed in that botched Joint Service We-All-Want-To-Play rescue, he would have won a second term.

I remember those days VERY well.

I remain unconvinced.

Yes, there are a lot of really stupid Americans out there, who base their
candidate preferences on inane, irrelevant moments.

It's really a sad take on our country---when a contingent of Americans
allows their inner Jerry Springer to decide who the leader of the free
world will be.

Of course, there are plenty of weasels on all sides---who will try to
elevate these meaningless moments into defining moments--and throw
some red meat into the pit where the stupid people laze.

Those trying to destroy a candidate with these small moments, are just
as bad as the trash who eat it up.

The media is just noting the awkwardness of the situation. Nothing too bad for either candidate.

DU is making the issue much bigger than the mainstream media is. Seriously, some here are acting worst than republicans on this incident.

He just looks mean, childish, petty and rude.

I hope so...

It was more pervasive and intentional. With nothing other than an ambiguous photo this is not all that interesting.

They have pilloried Hillary for months!!! Their vicious piling on after the Iowa caucus plus Obama's dismissive "you're likeable enough" comment contributed to her unexpected win in in NH. I hope that this has the same effect on Feb. 5th.

Go Hillary, don't let the turkeys get you down!!!!!


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that the new prince of Camelot showed so much arrogant childishness at nationally televised event.

you might be right.

But I bet very few people will ever be aware of it, and reading about it won't have the impact of seeing it - whatever it was and whatever happened.

It's simply not clear what happened - and we'll likely never know.

it pretty much evens out by making everyone less excited.

The Reagan moment you mention is a perfect example. We've been so dumbed down by television that we treat politics like a soap opera, and wait for little emotional cues to tell us who the protagonists are and who the villains are. And TV is great at making whole narratives out of nothing. It's something we really need to bring to the forefront more often.

Nobody is paying attention to it. The scant few media articles I've found have without exception characterized it as mutual in nature.

Hand proffered, hand refused = snub.

Head turned, no hand proffered, no hand refused = no snub.