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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:57 PM
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ELECTABILITY: Why is Hillary Clinton going to win the state of Florida today?
Clinton will win Florida. There's all kinds of demographic information in those numbers for anybody who wants to take a realistic look at this race with the general election in mind.

Obama has had nothing but positive media coverage for weeks and Clinton has had negative coverage at the most hysterical level.

But be sure to ask yourself this, if you are a voter who is voting on electability at this point between these three nearly identical candidates: Why will Hillary win Florida?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:57 PM
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1. because it is an accurate representation of America. nt.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:48 PM
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23. Old voters, ballot issues that will drive older voters to the polls and
retirees from NY and NJ.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:57 PM
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2. because she's the only one even pretending to run there
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:00 PM
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3. How many more events has she had than Obama?
How many more ads has she run?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:05 PM
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12. zero and zero
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sidwill Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:05 PM
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14. Because the Hillary fans need something to
wash the taste on SC out of their mouths. /turn off snark mode

Seriously though, there was no active Democratic campaigning in Florida, Fl voters never really got a chance to see all the candidates out and about trying to sell them on their candidacy. Thus it stands to reason that the most recognizable name will have the biggest numbers.

Example: Rudy had a large lead in Fl, the operative term being "used to" that changed in a big way once the Repukes started to actually campaign in Florida.

So enjoy the meaningless victory Hillaryites because:

A. It won't be as big as you think.
B. It means exactly diddly/squat.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:00 PM
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20. Not a Hilaryite but this is silly
If there are people who take the time to vote in meaningless primaries but don;t know who Obama is how exactly could we describe them or even imagine them? Informed enough to know when primary day is and find their voting place but not informed enough to know of a guy who has been plastered across every newspaper and TV and magazine for a couple years at least? Concerned enough about politics to wait in line and vote on not only a primary election but a non-sanctioned primary of dubious import, but not concerned enough to know about the rockstar politician who has won two primaries already and is touted by many as a front runner?

Bit dubious surely. I understand nobody has campaigned (which was my ONLY point by the way), and I understand that the truly ignored candidates such as Gravel would then have no chance to get their name out there, but can you HONESTLY imagine someone who would make the effort to vote in a meaningless primary who simultaneously has never heard fo the most hot current political news story?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:02 PM
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4. What are you talking about. He ran ads there and she didn't.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:02 PM
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5. She won't win anything...
...because it's not a legitimate election.

The Democratic Party said the delegates won't count. All Florida Dems are operating
under this assumption. Therefore, many will stay home.

This is not a legitimate election. She won't "win" anything--even if she does garner
more votes.

The voting population represents those who decided, for whatever reason, to symbolically
cast their votes in an election that has been deemed null and void before it ever happened.

There was no campaign there...no competition. No candidates campaigning. There
was no contest, so there is nothing to be "won".

I say, let Florida have a real election. Slate it at the end. Get the Florida state
leaders to do a mea culpa, and work with the DNC to have a real election in Florida.
Then, Florida voters would not be disenfranchises and the state could have a real
election with a legitimate winner.

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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:05 PM
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13. The DNC will fold the delegates back into the convention.
Believe it. No way will Michigan and Florida not be represented at the convention.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:11 PM
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17. Not going to happen...
The deal is all ready sealed.

There was no campaign there. There was no legitimate election there,
because all of the Florida Dems presumed that there votes would not
count--and translate into delegates at the Convention.

It's all ready a done deal.

No legitimate election took place.

Not gonna happen.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:13 PM
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18. Maybe not. Here is some info.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:03 PM
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6. Because she's fabulous! Duh! n/t
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:04 PM
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7. if anything its a closed election
it'll show where we stand against the GOP.......without the Indie voters
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:04 PM
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8. Because she will do anything.
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 02:06 PM by Botany
The deal was no campaigning or courting of support because of
a "fight" between the DNC & Florida dems** .... But to Hillary it is
all about winning and right now her team is putting lipstick
on that pig by saying "well we have to repect those who came
out to vote."

These actions say all I need to know about Hillary.

The ends justify the means.



** BTW I really do not understand what the fight is over .... help please.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:04 PM
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9. But it's the voters who are voting, not "she". So why will they vote for her?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:05 PM
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10. Because---using Tucker Carlson's description the Elites including
the Media are engineering a Coup to rid the Democratic Party
of the Clintons.

Since the Elites only talk to each other--tsk tsk--this riff
raff. As usually they have no concept of the feelings of
Average Americans. Perfect example is how the Elites have
made this into a Race election.

Joe and Jane Lunchpail know the Clintons understand them.
They did very well under a Clinton Presidency. They do not
care for the elites shoving their choice down their throats.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:05 PM
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11. Florida has no delegates, but good for her.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:07 PM
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15. Name recognition. Especially important for those not well informed. I desperately wanted
to say "name recongition, especially important for elderly with failing memories.

But that would be harsh and politically incorrect.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:08 PM
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16. She has been the only one talking about allowing Florida delegates count
and going back on what the candidates agreed on. Naturally the people of Florida will reward that. Now if it had been a truly competitive contest with campaigining by all candidates (including Edwards) we don't know what would be the outcome.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:22 PM
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19. I have worked in several state wide elections in Florida and
know that in order to move the polls you have to have media, either paid or free. And that media has to be geared to Florida concerns and targeted geographically and demographically.The fact is that Hillary received huge favorable media out of NH and Barack has gotten his share after SC. Neither have had Florida targeted messages on the air. So the situation is pretty much what you would think it would be in a state where no election campaign has actually been run. The current polls and tonight's returns will tell you very little. This is a non event.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:31 PM
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21. She'll win because people think that she's the most prepared to be president.
I just called my local campaign office and the coordinator told me that they had plenty of people walk in to volunteer since last week. It's what I kept saying all along, the results in SC don't matter in this part of the country. Furthermore, the more some try to bash Hillary, the more that they anger her base. After Teddy's endorsement, I and several people I know sent more money to Hillary's campaign. Ted Kennedy is NOT going to derail our candidate without us first putting up a hell of a fight!!!!!!!
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:33 PM
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22. Cuban vote is one thing Hillary will get, Bill was suported by Cubans
However not much was heard about the support wit votes and funds, this was in his first election, don't knnow how his second one did with the Cubans.Edwards is myfavorite, but you ask about Hillary
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