Some of you don't seem to think much of FL dems

You seem to think that they won't come out and vote today because of their non-delegate status. You seem to think that if their delegates aren't seated they'll stay at home in November or vote republican.

I don't buy it. I don't think they're that stupid. Sad if you do.

I certainly understand how personal a vote is, and I've seen far too many people being rude to those who voice their frustration. I hope this casual attitude toward others rights has more to do with the environment, than the people behind the keyboards.

on this. It's unfortunate, but FL and MI, both agreed to the primary schedule 2 years ago when it was set. Then they chose to reneg and throw everything into disarray. In FL, had the state party not gone eagerly along with the republicans, they would not be in the pickle they are today. And in MI, dems control the state and they thought they could get away with it. What was Dean supposed to do? Throw up his hands and say "fine, do what you want"? You can't run a national party that way. I'd hope that most people could back Dean on this. He's been an incredibly fair and good Chairman. I'm also sure that he'll work out something with FL and MI, but he's dead right NOT to do it until the nominee emerges.

But as it happens too often, the voter is hurt by the party. That's why my feelings are with the voters.

I mean it's just completely improbable that it's a joke. Even Obama has been coming out today supporting what Hillary said a few days back (which was misconstrued by many here as saying Hillary wanted those delegates before the nomination, which is not what she said).

And that's the way it should work. I agree that at the Convention they should be seated, but I don't think there's any guarantee on how it will work- they might only get half their delegate count or some other formula might be worked out.

...sent those delegates to convention. The states did nothing wrong except having early primaries. They could vote to change how they're doled out, but I don't see that happening unless someone suggests it, and then you're looking at disenfranchising voters with an elite cabal of voters. Wouldn't go over well if they changed it up much. The rules are rules.

Only thing I could really see is those 40% uncommitted in MI being split between Edwards and Obama.

Thus I think it would indeed impact how these voters voted in the GE (if they didn't get seated). Most assuredly.

Of course, I'll still be called stupid because I voted for someone who is officially out of the running.

congrats on sticking with Dennis. Did you have any problems voting or did it go smoothly?

was finding parking at the place. I moved since the last election, so it was a new experience for me.

People tend to forget that a section of the panhandle is in the central timezone.

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he will be home in time to vote.

My heart is with Kucinich, BUT, if I can't have Kucinich, I will settle for Edwards.

Ddilemma. Does voting for Kucinch make it that much more likely that Hillary or Obama will win?

And does it matter anyway, since, once again, the machine (whether Rupublican and Democratic) has stolen our votes?

I voted my conscience. If we wind up with a less than stellar nom at the GE (and as subsequent loser or president) then we deserve it.

I voted for the best Dem on my ticket. I'm sending a message to all three.

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The only question is how far and how hard we will fall. Maybe we will get lucky and snag ourselves on a jutting thickly moss-covered rock edge before we get too far down.

Or maybe we will fall at terminal velocity all the way to the uncushioned bottom.

but that's for crackin' wise about Garfunkeling my mother in the Lounge. not for the other thing.

Your memory is long, MrCoffee.

I make Nixon look like a pantywaist.

What will be interesting is if the Florida delegates are enough to change who would have gotten the nominee. That is a public relations disaster that probably Dean doesn't want to think about.

I know the DNC punished Michigan and Florida, but why doesn't the RNC do the same? Do they just not care, or do they have different rules?

Are the penalties just for this election cycle or do they carry over?

are turned off, remember 2000.

The election could hinge on a few hundred votes.

Just about EVERYBODY will be voting on it.

A few of the Obama supporters seem to think it's un-Democratic to vote in this one, because they're completely focused on Hillary's Broward County visit.

Besides, Floridians know that it IS a "beauty pageant" that will be watched closely, and want to register their votes for their choice of one of the three candidates.

It's going to be a big turnout.

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it's an outrage that the 4th most populous State in the Union has to get its knuckles rapped by the party for spoiling their archaic voting schedule and a few stupid decisions by the Florida party heads!

Obama's surrogate, John Kerry, today dismissed the whole of the Floridian electorate in one fell swoop. If there is any camp that doesn't think a thing of that state's Democrats, it is Obama's, hands down.

Actually the turnout here was pretty good. I don't know the numbers but Wolf Blitzer said earlier there seems to be a good turnout.

to mess with our elections. With these screwed up voting machines. Charlie Crist will probably be able to steal his amendment one into law. Then we Floridians are really in a pile of shit. Again! And yes I did vote today. No on ammendment one. And Yes for John Edwards.
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They intentionally provoked this to try to undercut Howard Dean and to get Hillary a win that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Truth be told; most are former "R"s who couldn't get elected so they switched parties.

I voted today after work...for Edwards...with absolutely no expectation that my vote would count. If my vote had counted, I would most likely have switched to Obama as he would have been my preferred choice of the top two. I support the DNC, and in no way feel like the DNC has disenfranchised me.