How much does Hillary have to win Florida by to claim victory?

In South Carolina there were people saying Obama had to win by a substantial margin to claim victory. There was nervousness that 8 points would not be enough to really claim victory. Had he not won so decisively the Clinton Campaign would have attempted to claim victory over Obama.

In Florida the same holds true for Hillary. She is going to try and claim it as a win, despite the fact no one campaigned there, everyone signed a pledge, it holds no delegates and where she has the advantage of being better known. How much does she have to win by to really claim victory? I am saying: She has to win by 25% or more to claim a real victory in Florida. If it is less than that, can she really claim a victory considering she had all the advantages and Edwards and Obama didn't have a chance to get their messages out?

Obama defeated Hillary with a larger margin in South Carolina where Bill Clinton campaigned for Hillary aggressively, and where Hillary campaigned moderately. I think it is fair to say Hillary should win by more than 25% easily in an uncontested race. I think it is fair she should have to equal or exceed Obama's SC victory margin.

Obama was campaigning in South Carolina, and was polling at anywhere from 5% to 8%. We were basically told: If Obama didn't win more than 10% of the White Vote, and if Obama didn't win by more than 15% of the popular vote the Clinton Campaign was going to claim victory. I was sweating bullets worried that the campaign was over no matter WHAT happened in South Carolina. I didn't even imagine - in my wildest dreams - that we'd win by such a large margin.

How is it unfair to say that in a state that she has an advantage in - an even greater advantage than Obama had in SC - that she shouldn't equal or beat his victory margin in SC?

...of why I had you on ignore. I removed a bunch of people on this thread from ignore to check the responses, you were one of them. Welcome back to the list.

Maybe I'll remove you again someday and we can have a productive conversation.

say it is cuz she campaigned there.
IF she does they'll say it doesn't count cuz no delegates.


She cannot claim any victory in FL.

they were allowed. Get yourself informed before spewing misinformation

It's a beauty pageant today. The Floridian Democrats were disenfranchised as to their primary delegates.

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a buttload.

If she wins more voters, she can claim it as a win and the delegates will eventually be seated. Both she and Obama and Pelosi and everyone else have said this.

by even 5% without campaigning, I'd say that's decent.

Clinton as a product has name recognition.

Also, let's keep in mind she's been calling for the Florida Delegates to be seated before the election - in essence campaigning in FL without actually physically being there.

Frankly, if Obama loses only by 10% or 15% I am personally going to consider it a victory and possibly a poor showing by Hillary on Feb 5th.

happy to scrap the previous ruling and allow him to have the delegates? Didn't think so.

And, we now they will.

It's a beauty contest.

Certainly, I would love to see a surprise win - that would thrill me beyond belief. However, I do not support the delegates being seated UNLESS it has no effect on who wins the nomination. I do not think it is fair to the candidates, the party, or Florida because they weren't given a chance to really make a clear decision.

The whole situation is shit. I hate it. I wish they hadn't moved their primary date up, but the DNC didn't have a choice in their action. Iowa and New Hampshire would have done anything to be first in the nation, and had things been allowed to continue we could have begun the elections in November of last year.

I even sympathize with the states who moved up their primary dates - mine comes long after Super Tuesday, and the nominee will likely already pretty much be chosen.

landslide victory ... "it doesn't mean anything ... the votes don't count."

Any kind of loss ... "She LOST TO NOBODY!"