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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:40 PM
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Obama denies snubbing Clinton ~ MSNBC Video
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22902334#22902334">LINK HERE

This is a manufactured issue.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:41 PM
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1. He doesn't come off as believable
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:41 PM
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2. He does with McCaskill standing behind him backing up his story.
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 05:42 PM by mzmolly
You didn't have time to watch the video. I suggest you do. I fully believe him.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:44 PM
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5. Do you really believe she's an unbiased source? n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:44 PM
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7. Yes
I do.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:45 PM
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You'll never convince some people.
Their minds are made up; don't confuse them with facts.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:46 PM
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11. They couldn't possibly believe what they say? It think it's "spin."
;)
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:48 PM
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14. Some people -- not mentioning any names -- have been spinning so hard
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 05:49 PM by ocelot
they can't think straight. All they know is spin.

Of course this is a non-story, and of course McCaskill is telling the truth; the photos in sequence prove it. That won't stop the spin, unfortunately.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:42 PM
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3. You did see the uncropped photo . . . didn't you?
Wait, wait, don't tell me. Claire was photoshopped in. Right?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:43 PM
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4. self-delete
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 05:46 PM by WesDem
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:44 PM
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6. You can NOT cast valid conclusions based on non-verbals. The M$M and HRC's surrogates
are behaving in a *very disingenuous* manner. :thumbsdown:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:45 PM
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9. One would think we'd have "learned" something about the media in the past seven
huh? :hi:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:45 PM
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8. This shows the sequence








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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:30 PM
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31. Thanks WD.
:hi:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:46 PM
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10. Of course he does.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:47 PM
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12. Another angle of the same moment in time.


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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:51 PM
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18. And neither photo has Obama attempting to chat with Claire.
Until later, Claire saw the situation and she attempted to help her buddy out of a shitty situation.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:59 PM
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24. Unless you were standing next to Claire, I'm going to have to defer to her.
Sorry. ;)
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:38 PM
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33. Do you know anyone who conducts a conversation while clapping their hands?
Because that, not "chatting," is what Claire and BamBam are both doing.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:45 PM
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35. I know people who have short conversations while clapping, yes.
:)
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:17 PM
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29. You really sound silly. Believe me, in a month if I showed you your
comment, you're going to feel REALLY silly.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:34 PM
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32. Here is another angle


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:47 PM
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36. Yes, one that misses Claire McCaskell again.
Note the people in conversation above Hillary and Kennedy? Are they shunning Hillary Clinton too? ;)
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:54 PM
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21. Look at the four photos
...and then look at the one above. I think someone photoshopped. You can tell by looking at the guy behind Obama...look at this hands and then look at the other 4 photots.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:55 PM
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22. Which photo do you think is photoshopped?
I just notice the snub on all of them.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:47 PM
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13. So..he snubs AND lies...
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:48 PM
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15. No, he answers a question posed by McCaskill, the media calls it a snub, and the ignorant masses
lap it up as if it's a legitimate use of our time.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:50 PM
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16. What did you expect him to say.."why yes I did snub her"? get a grip
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:01 PM
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26. No I would expect him not to involve another person by saying "she asked me a question"
with said person nodding yes behind him as he said it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:53 PM
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20. 'the ignorant masses' - well, color you elitist :)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:57 PM
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23. LOL. Proud member of the DU "elite" bastid' brigade.
:P
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:50 PM
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17. Two entirely different explanations by the Obama camp. So far.
:eyes:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:00 PM
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25. I've only heard one by "The Obama Man" so ...
:D
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:16 PM
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28. Thank you!
That's what I noticed too. First he "wanted to give them a private moment", then he "heard Claire asking me a question and turned around".

Geez, guys, the first rule of spin is: pick a story and stick with it.

The minute someone comes up with two different stories for their actions -- right there, you know something's going on.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:19 PM
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30. I think that is a narrative of an entire event vs. two stories.
I wanted to give them a moment and Claire asked me a question.

What passes for "scandal" here never ceases to amaze.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:43 PM
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34. The first story was given by one of the people in the Obama campaign
just speculation, before Obama had even talked about it to him at all. He didn't say "I'm sure this is what happened", the campaign person said "it might've been something like this". Then Obama cleared it up. So Obama never gave "two" stories.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:52 PM
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19. I doubt Hillary gives a crap if he did snub her
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 05:52 PM by shaniqua6392
and neither do we.
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:03 PM
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27. Shuster looked ridiculous
bringing this topic up. This is making the MSM looking like snipey little gossip mongers that out do my thirteen year old daughter. I mean there are more substantial issues to talk about then snub-gate.
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