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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:59 PM
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Hillary Ally Drops Mailer In Florida -- Despite Candidates' Pledge Against Campaigning
More of the same from the "say anything, do anything" gang...

Hillary Ally Drops Mailer In Florida -- Despite Candidates' Pledge Against Campaigning
By Greg Sargent - January 29, 2008, 6:44PM

AFSCME drops a new mailer in Florida urging a vote for Hillary. The mailer was sent our way by a political operative, and while by law this has to be uncoordinated with the Hillary campaign, the union is obviously carrying out activity on her behalf despite the candidates' "pledge" against campaigning there.

The Hillary campaign aggressively made the case today that despite the pledge, the voters of Florida deserve to be heard and that the state's delegation should be seated.

Also note the heavy push-back in the mailer on Obama's "change" message (which is done without mentioning Obama). Click on the images to enlarge:

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/hillary_ally_drops_mailer_in_florida.php#comments
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:02 PM
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1. A candidate can not be held responsible for the actions of others...
they can control their own people, sometimes, but outsiders--nah.

You are a complete fool for thinking so...or pushing another Hate Hillary thread.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:11 PM
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3. Nice spin but it's bullshit and you know it.
Hillary has proven she doesn't play by the rules. This is just another shining example.

Hate Hillary? Not quite there...yet.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:19 PM
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6. and those same folks kidnapped her and forced her to
go the fund raiser in Florida last night, forced Penn to have a teleconference call today in Florida, and have a gun at her head so that she goes to the 'victory' party tonight.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:24 PM
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9. Let's tally the lies and bullshit shall we
"go the fund raiser in Florida last night"

Fundraisng is specifically exempt from the pledge.

"forced Penn to have a teleconference call today in Florida"

He held the conference on FL. Not IN FL.

"she goes to the 'victory' party tonight."

Yes post election celebration is somehow campaigning.



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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:39 PM
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12. generating the publicity in the state that your candidate cares enough
to come the night before and listen to the folks in a fund raiser, having a news conference pandering at getting the delegate ruling reversed and publicizing and inviting people to a party before the polls are closed are yes all forms of campaigning

Clinton must have more than this.

By the way the point of the post I was responding too was that Hillary did not send the mailing had no control over it and was not doing anything to help the campaign. That is not true.


How lets just save time, you will respond that none of that technically violates the no campaign pledge


And then I will answer yes you are correct technically you could argue that, but here is the bigger point that the Clinton supporters just are not getting.


These are the same people who argued in a deposition that a particular answer depended on "what the definition of is, is". If that is all you have fine. If you are completely devoid of substantive issues and are not going to spend the rest of the campaign parsing every word and action so you can sleep better knowing that your candidate isn't pissing off the rest of the party. Fine

But if that is all you have you are not going to get the nomination.

The country is tired of it. Period.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:06 PM
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2. Someone's doing robocalls for her too - just heard on CNN
She's a cheat. Did not keep her word.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:13 PM
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4. Obama said, "When I agree to something, I keep my word."
I think this too is going to backfire on Clinton. She doesn't look good when she's acting underhanded. It's not appealing to voters.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:16 PM
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5. And if Barack Obama, the new Messiah, says it, then it must be true.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:20 PM
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7. And someone's doing robocalls for barack I heard as well
Just what I heard.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:59 PM
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13. The Clinton calls were reported on MSNBC
They came from Congresswoman Nelson, IIRC. And what did you hear, exactly?
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:06 PM
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15. So.......
Is this why "mailers for Obama" were also dropped in Florida today by an "ally"? This demonization of Clinton and bestowing "sainthood" on Obama is truly getting to be ludicrous!
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:15 PM
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20. Obama Ally Drops Lit In Florida Urging Vote -- Despite Candidates' No-Campaign Pledge
A political operative forwards us this mailer that Obama backer UNITE dropped in Florida urging a vote for him.

The Obama campaign has mocked the Hillary campaign's insistence that the Florida voting should be seen as significant and that the state's delegates should be seated.

By law the Obama campaign can't coordinate with UNITE, and this isn't the work of the Obama campaign. But this Obama ally seems to see that the breakdown of the Florida vote will carry weight in the coverage, if not in terms of delegates. The mailer urges, in English and Spanish, that Floridians "Vote! in the Florida Primary..."



http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/obama_ally_drops_lit_in_florida_urging_vote_despite_candidates_nocampaiging_pledge.php


Huh. From same site posted in OP. :shrug:
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:23 PM
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8. Obama doing phone banking
1/28/08, 6:30PM - 8:30PM Get Out The Vote - Phone Banking
1226 East 7th Avenue
Tampa, FL

Join us for an evening of phone-banking, encouraging Obama supporters to get out to the polls on January 29th. Bring your cell phone and plenty of enthusiasm as we do our part to ensure that when it comes to Barack, Tampa Bay REPRESENTS!


http://www.obamaotrain.com/events.php
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:24 PM
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10. Third party campaigning is legal
Just like the ads Barack has ran the past several weeks.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:26 PM
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11. And that Obama group should stop as well
"Obama for America neither supports or endorses this website or its content in any way."
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:01 PM
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14. Its the worst thing ever! Unless Obama does it!
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:08 PM
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17. That's totally different!
Because it is!

;)
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:07 PM
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16. See..more evidence that Obama is a hypocrate..
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jenmarie Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:09 PM
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18. They all play the game to their own benefit.
TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.

Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took by holding a brief news conference outside the fundraiser. That was less than a day after the pledge took effect Saturday, and Obama is the first Democratic presidential candidate to visit Florida since then.

Obama and others have pledged not to campaign in Florida until the Jan. 29 primary except for fundraising, which is what he was doing in Tampa.

But after the fundraiser at the Hyde Park home of Tom and Linda Scarritt, Obama crossed the street to take half a dozen questions from reporters waiting there.

The pledge covers anything referred to in Democratic National Committee rules as "campaigning," and those include "holding news conferences."

Obama seemed unaware the pledge he signed prohibits news conferences. Asked whether he was violating it, he said, "I was just doing you guys a favor. … If that's the case, then we won't do it again."

...

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:11 PM
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19. Obama Ally Drops Lit In Florida Urging Vote -- Despite Candidates' No-Campaign Pledge
A political operative forwards us this mailer that Obama backer UNITE dropped in Florida urging a vote for him.

The Obama campaign has mocked the Hillary campaign's insistence that the Florida voting should be seen as significant and that the state's delegates should be seated.

By law the Obama campaign can't coordinate with UNITE, and this isn't the work of the Obama campaign. But this Obama ally seems to see that the breakdown of the Florida vote will carry weight in the coverage, if not in terms of delegates. The mailer urges, in English and Spanish, that Floridians "Vote! in the Florida Primary..."



http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/obama_ally_drops_lit_in_florida_urging_vote_despite_candidates_nocampaiging_pledge.php


Huh. From same site you posted in OP. :shrug:
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