Clinton's man McAuliffe set this DNC rule against seating delegates in 2004. So....

... now that the rules CANNOT be changed until the Dem convention in 2008, Dean has no choice but to enforce the rules as they existed when he took offfice.

Terry McAuliffe knows this - is that why he's not acting as spokesperson for HRC on this issue?

ALL the state parties knew this and ACCEPTED the rule in 2004 and again in 2006, so why is it a problem now?

Looks to me like it's a CONCOCTED CONTROVERSY as another way of making people in the party unhappy with Dean so TeamClinton can push him out, as they tried to do since Nov2006.

False at its very foundation.

People need to wake up and smell the manipulation.

The Rules for this convention were not voted on until 2006.

It seems the argument stands - if it was good in 2004 and in 2006 - why did it SUDDENLY become an unacceptable rule?

I am quite sure it's a deliberate set up to push Dean out because he has no recourse BUT to enforce the rules as they exist.

They came up with the primary rules and the DNC voted on the rules, after many meetings, in 2006.

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as a result of his deal with Levin.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1483

The Price Herman commission.

Weren't the members originally appointed left in place by Dean when he came into office in Feb. 2005?

About the formation of the Price Herman Commission.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51780-2005Feb24.html?nav=headlines

of instituting that rule in the first place.

I defended these people for years. Not any more.

and a lot I write off as politics-hardball.

Not any more.

I don't want to move backwards.

The Left needs a National Party not some regional lightweight.

It needs fair elections.

It needs to move things back towards the Left.

the harsh realization that these people have never been on our side is sickening.

12 years of defending their every move - - - the betrayal is extraordinary in its scope.

I do try to keep it civil...but lately it is getting harder.

We were tough AND civil.

But I agree, it is a concocted controversy, and whatever the details, Dean and the DNC were put between a rock and a hard place. Clinton playing her games is not making anything easier. I expect certain members of the DNC are fully aware and will have long memories.

From Madfloridian's Journal:

It was not even public knowledge. Nobody got really upset, nobody threatened to sue McAuliffe who was chairman then. It was politics as usual.

Here's what Terry McAuliffe said to Carl Levin in 2004, as reported in his book.

Expletives were flying. The head of the Democratic National Committee was having it out with Sen. Carl Levin because Michigan wanted to crash the rarefied club of early presidential primary states.

Move your primary too early, Terry McAuliffe warned, and Michigan will lose half its delegates to the 2004 Democratic convention.

"The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television," McAuliffe vowed. "I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules."

Dean is being attacked here, and there is no doubt in my mind that getting Dems to turn against Dean is their goal in all of this.

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/talking_politics/documents/03263933.asp


The Democratic National Committee (DNC), which has consistently defended that status for both states, has fought against the DC primary ever since Washington activists hatched the idea, in January, as a way to draw attention to the district’s lack of congressional representation. The DNC has pressured candidates to boycott the primary, and does not list it on its schedule of nominating events. A Washington Post editorial this month accused the DNC of "sabotaging" the primary by discouraging candidates from campaigning.
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"Because he respects the unique and critical role of Iowa and New Hampshire in the nominating process, Senator Kerry will not participate in the District of Columbia’s beauty contest," says Kelley Benander, Kerry’s deputy press secretary.

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Going first is not something a state just does. New Hampshire and Iowa have staked out that territory and guard it zealously. It is codified in state law that New Hampshire hold the first primary; likewise, Iowa is statutorily required to hold the first caucus (a series of precinct meetings at which party activists declare their presidential preferences). Iowa’s caucus is traditionally on a Monday, New Hampshire’s primary the following Tuesday, and voting in the rest of the states begins a week later. The national Democratic and Republican Parties help orchestrate compliance with that schedule.

When DC announced its early date, the DNC came down hard at first. In fact, Plotkin and others say that DNC chair Terry McAuliffe warned the candidates not to set foot in the district. "There’s been some criticism of the DNC that I think is unfair," says New Hampshire Democratic Party chair Kathleen Sullivan, who sits on the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee. "We had a two-year process after the last national election, and all during that period there was never a proposal from the District of Columbia." In fact, Michigan Democrats fought during that process for an early 2004 primary, only to have the DNC rules committee rebuff them.

When the DNC announced that it wouldn’t acknowledge the results of the early primary, the DC contingent agreed to make the primary non-binding. That means no delegates will be selected in the election; the district will still hold caucuses in February to elect delegates to the nominating convention.
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Kerry's being consistent - the rules are the rules.

I didn't know this stuff - it's good that you posted it.

in Florida and all over the country - he's the expert on it.

Isn't he?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1638

"Expletives were flying. The head of the Democratic National Committee was having it out with Sen. Carl Levin because Michigan wanted to crash the rarefied club of early presidential primary states.

Move your primary too early, Terry McAuliffe warned, and Michigan will lose half its delegates to the 2004 Democratic convention.

"The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television," McAuliffe vowed. "I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules."

representing TeamClinton on this issue he should be an expert on, eh?

Which is why I'm glad he's speaking for HRC.

Unless the real target is Dean, as many of us believe.

good info and linkage all through the thread

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Hairy Terry said he wasn't responsible for anything any more after he said -
"You're either with us (Hillary) or against us."

Well, fuck him!
If he can't be any more original than stealing Bush's lame meme, then he can go back to selling cars.

Howard Dean will prevail.

on edit K&R ;)

if Obama had won? I think not. But of course, since he was too dumb to campaign in Florida and got trounced, all the Obama supporters are up in arms about letting Floridians have their say.

They all signed a pledge not to campaign in Florida, so I guess that makes them all "dumb" according to you, right?

The DNC set the rules. Got a problem with it? Take it up with the DNC.

I saw a damn good victory speech tonight by Hillary Clinton, who was IN FLORIDA when she gave it. She's the only candidate who has proven that she cares about the people of Florida and Michigan, despite what some stupid "pledge" says. This is big time politics. Sometimes rules are made to be broken.

Why don't you idiots just hold your 2012 primary on January 21, 2009? Or is that not early enough for you?

Face reality - THAT is what all this breaking of the DNC rules is about.

Not ALL of us Dems are FOOLS.

He's tried to pull the party together, tried to make us competitive with a 50-state strategy, but there are those who will sink the whole party as a result of their petty pissing contest with him. Finally, we have a chairman who has put people and the grassroots above special interests and $$$. Dean is not bought and paid for. As a result of McAuliffe's corporate leadership, he is now caught between a rock and a hard place.

Go show Dean your support:

http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/chairman

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON.

FL and MI thought they were big shots, and they broke the rules.

Now they are going to try to split the party. I think you know that.

No one!

alright. Anyway they can.

should hold their primary contests OVER AGAIN according to the new situation. Florida Dem party should pay for that do-over, too.

is what it takes to stop that awful man from getting the nomination at the expense of HRC, then so be it. It's kind of sad, but it's for the good of the country.

if you can't raise your own positives raise the other guys negatives. Just like Bush did with Kerry.

I think that tells us all we need to know about a Hillary administration. The rules are .... there ain't no rules.

show up on camera and EXPLAIN it for everybody? LOL

with Dr. Dean in view of Florida's importance in the General election and the need to respect the voters there.

Fineman did a piece on it tonight. No one is unhappy with Dr. Dean.

But let's not pretend that Clinton camp is doing this for any altruistic reason like voter rights - it's all about creating a perception that somehow this is all poor leadership from Dean so they can push him out EASILY should she become the nominee.

Clintons believe Dem voters are dumb and can be manipulated with these antics. Some are. Many of us are NOT.

:applause: to the both of you for bringing this to our attention.

I have a huge problem with the people Hillary chooses to surround herself with, not a very good judge of character if you ask me.:shrug:

I have a bad feeling you're right about trying to oust Dean. The DLC doesn't want to lose control of the party. But hey, you know what after the primaries we should ALL become members of the DLC and force them to accept the Democratic Party Platform that WE as Democrats have always strove to achieve. The PARTY of the working class, living wages, affordable housing and education, safety standards for food, water, air, working conditions, roadways and bypasses, the list goes on and on and on.

For $50 a year WE too could become members of the wonderful DLC. Of course there are more expensive memberships, but for fifty bucks that would be some rather cheap entertainment in political theater. :rofl:

This is rich... :popcorn:

Shouldn't he?

Doesn't Hillary camp WANT Democrats to understand the actual DETAILS on issue of Florida?

Bring on Terry.

BLM is on board now. You hillary people better hunker down. BLM has the goods on clinton BCCI stuff this aint going to be pretty.

Correct me if wrong, but I believe they were left the same when Dean took the chair in Feb. 2005.

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/dnc2008cal1204.html

of their captain's support for the exact rule they use to FALSELY ATTACK other Dems.

:sarcasm: