How are Hillary supporters proud of a "win" in Florida when no one campaigned in the state?

Is it just desperation?

Is it wanting to get past the absolute trouncing in South Carolina after both Hillary and Bill put so much campaigning time, energy and funds only to get half the vote Obama did?

Does it not appear to be an obvious charade to think a victory can be achieved if no one campaigned there? Doesn't it appear to look cheap, phony and utterly without merit that both the Florida Democratic Party and Hillary decided to go into the state and make it seem like the votes mean anything when the fact is that the delegates don't count and the people's voice is not truly heard?

Pound you chest all you want for this false victory for all I care. It's just another benchmark of how low the Hillary Clinton campaign will go to try to validate her candidacy.

Clinton may have "won" on the cheap while the Florida voters AGAIN get the short end of the stick.

For those that care about valid voting, contact these people and speak out:
http://www.fladems.com/content/your_party_officials

I'd be happy if I were a Hillary supporter right now.

Voters looked @ the issues and decided all on their own without stupid commericals and people shouting in their faces.

with all the party atmosphere they act like a bunch of kids that they are.

I'm saying that without any actual campaigning that people vote for who they know. And unless folks did their own research they knew the Clinton name above all the others. Unless you are now making the rules for DU I am just as welcome here as you are. Trying jumping down off that soap box for a while.

You crack me up.

People have CNN down there. MSNBC. They get the fucking picture.

They get the news. They have the web.

Tee hee hee. You're silly.

Here I'll repeat it since you are obviously spending more time trying to come up with witty responses than actually reading what people have written.

I'm saying that without any actual campaigning that people vote for who they know. And unless folks did their own research they knew the Clinton name above all the others

Did the voters do some independent research on the candidates or did they vote for who they knew? Do you have that answer? I don't.

As for using the MSM as a resource on the candidates, it's a pretty useless tool. CNN & MSNBC rarely reported on any candidate other than Clinton/Obama/Edwards through New Hampshire and only Clinton/Obama since.

Let me know if I need to repeat myself again, or if you can settle down long enough to read an entire post.

Plenty of external factors at play here. For example, let's say you're an Obama voter in Florida. You know that Clinton is going to win tonight's straw poll for sure. What motivation do you have to get and vote for Obama? Of course if you're a hardcore Obama fan, you're going to vote either way, but what about those young votes that have helped Obama in every other state thus far? The exit polls showed that the youth vote in Florida was way down and turnout overall was way down when compared to the Republicans in the state.

One cannot use tonight's results for anything.

even though he didn't campaign. Come on. Don't be so transparent.

BTW your response is what I posted some of y'all would say tonight.

You'd be saying it proved that he should be president because he won FL. You'd be saying it proves he got a bounce from SC.

What I'm saying is ...you wouldn't even consider that FL was worth nothing if Obama had come out on top. You'd have used it in the positive for him and deriving some positive meaning for him.

Just be honest. You know you would.

You could just as easily (and correctly) argue that the typical Clinton voter, knowing Clinton would win, would have no motivation to get out and vote for her.

The simple fact, people who want to vote, vote. Sure, turn out was low because people know their votes probably won't count. But that doesn't mean the people who chose to vote anyway didn't know who they were voting for.

I agree with you that tonite's results can't be used to prove anything. But I also agree with xultar that if Obama had won, his supporters would be lauding his victory all over DU.

If you count the threads on the front page, there are a LOT more of them from Obamans telling us how this primary doesn't matter than there are Clintonites talking about how much it does. That should tell you something right there. Methinks they do protest too much.

without money, without hype, without coercion... the voters have spoken.

What Florida voters have gone through in the last eight years is tragic. It would be no wonder that people wouldn't think their vote really counts.

Literally!

:rofl:

Florida has lots of early voting, and absentee ballots were already in many homes weeks ago.
Probably mailed early as well.

If there had been, Giuliani would have done better and so would have Edwards.

Even when there's early voting, most people just don't bother until election day. We have early voting in Kansas for general elections and the participation is negligible.

the news, read newspapers ... sheesh, this is special because the delegates won't be seated, not 'cause it doesn't matter.

McCain. That's good news.

one of my election officials said she really hated that we run our primary in May,
that because the deciding is pretty much done by then, it hurts turnout.

She would like to run the election when it would mean more.

If NC's votes don't count, then why should Florida's?

change ... and guess what ? hillary got the people's choice award.

Right now Obama is 240,000 votes behind.