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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:28 PM Original message |
The Clinton "Victory Speech" in FL Defines Why Many Are Turned Off Of Her |
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ursi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. she wants to cheat |
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DiamondJay (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. count every vote is cheating?? |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Play by the rules ... or get left out BY THE RULES ... simple as that |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
77. So the enfranchisement of as many citizens as possible is NOT the issue? |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Changing the rules you agreed to beforehand in the middle of the game is the definition of cheating |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. That may be your perception, Obama ran TV campaign ads in FL, and Hillary |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. NO - Obama ran NATIONAL spots - that (obviously) were seen in FL -nt |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
74. And NY? Did I miss them? |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. You must have - it was a CABLE-TV buy. (MSNBC, etc.) -nt |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. So she ran a victory lap in an empty stadium. Let her have her moment. |
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forsberg (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. A crushing defeat for Obama, it exposes his support as nothing more than a trumped up media creation |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. A crushing defeat, with no delegates and the shuffleboard vote? |
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forsberg (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. don't discount the old folks vote |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Ted Kennedy's endorsement will change that. |
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forsberg (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:41 PM Original message |
yea sure, good luck making up those massive deficits in the super tuesday states |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
94. Check again. He IS closing the gaps. n/t |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
64. There's a nice vision for the future |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. the shuffleboard vote? OMG |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
89. yep, sexism and ageism are okay by obama folks. nt |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. Exactly |
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forsberg (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. bingo |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
47. He lost by 18% in a state where 74% of those who voted are age 45 and up, |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. Actually according to the coverage here |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. Hillary 0 Obama 0 Edwards 0 |
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hezekkia (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
78. welcome to DU |
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Clintonite (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. I have been her since 2002. And you? |
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hezekkia (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
80. nothing will unite Republicans like Hillary |
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Clintonite (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. Republicans will unite over anyone we put up against them! You'll see. If Obama does get the nom. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #88 |
111. You're really in denial. Repubs. will NOT be united against Obama like they will be against the |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
121. how many threads are you going to repeat yourself... |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. It Speaks Volumes -nt |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. 2 million dem voters is an empty stadium? |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. FL: The sound of one hand clapping |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. So 2 million dem voters going to the polls |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. I'd downplay a big Hillary victory too if I was pushing Obama |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:36 PM Original message |
I'm not downplaying her victory--just noting that it was not a hot contest |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
55. If one were honest, they'd admit if Obama campaigned in FL, he'd have shrunk her lead. |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Wiener, FL is hardy an emtpy stadium. Dems will need FL like it or not. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. The senile and nearly dead will forget there was a primary tomorrow!! |
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libertee (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. that's really delusional...but, get well soon |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
54. wow, you have to be kidding me. How offensive!!! another for the ignore list |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. What a nasty post, on so many levels |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
67. Thanks for your insults! Every Dem will need FL like it or not! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
72. Can I have that quote for a poster? |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Problem is youth is unreliable." Age: votes everytime all the time! |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
43. But she did win, delegates or not. A diverse state and large cities like Miami. |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
109. What she was saying is... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. She was supposed to tell FL voters they don't matter |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. FL doesn't want to be told that they don't mater, Don't you get it? |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:36 PM Original message |
Live from WPB ... IT DON'T COUNT ... GO HOME ... STFU! |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
56. Yeah well stupid move, I'm sure it will cost Dems plenty of votes in the GE |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
53. Then why did she agree and play by the rules where THEY DIDN'T? - until she 'played them' -nt |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. She DID - until Obama won South Carolina and she decided to cynically "play" Florida -nt |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. But She Gave A Great Concession Speech In SC |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. I was looking all over for a link to Hillary SC's concession speech. |
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milkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
40. LOL! |
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busymom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
7. She gave a great speech... |
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mrmx9 (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. I can't watch Hillary's speeches - that shouting voice is too painful and uninspiraitonal! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Deleted message |
Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. huh???? |
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forsberg (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. here |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
93. you link to a RW hate blog? |
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libertee (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. Interesting point you make ..also, heard the pundits ask |
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milkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. Hillary fled South Carolina without saying a word to the voters, and they had an actual campaign.nt |
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budkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
8. Utterly pathetic |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. Big time loser |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
13. Her yelling, gratiating voice was hard to take. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Like nails on a chalkboard. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. noticed that too, did 'ya? |
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busymom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Her voice is hoarse |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
117. What happened to the "soft voice Hillary" ? Or the "emotional Hillary"? Did she lose THAT voice? |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. the Shrike took over |
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Clintonite (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
16. Looks like Obama's message of hope and change didn't reach florida! |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
18. She wants to win. |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. What rules, to thanks voters AFTER the fact? Don't be silly, Obama ran TV ads in FL |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
65. Yeah, the system is archaic |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
69. Obama DID NOT "run ads in FL" - they were NATIONAL ADS that, yes, HAD to be seen in FL -nt |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
90. Ads are ads. Just as stupid as the technicality by which FL was dismissed from the |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. They have known the Clinton's in FL for 27 YEARS. Obama never went to FL -nt |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
62. Sweetie, Hillary's ambition isn't a bit blind. |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
95. That's right when a woman is agressive, she is perceived as B*tch when it's |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
23. make up our minds to what? i already voted |
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liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
25. I guess it all depends on our filters. We see what we want to see. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
28. It's helped me make up my mind... |
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libertee (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
34. Eat your heart out..a moral victory is a victory... |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
68. What a Bush league statement. BTW: it was reported that Obama started to offer his hand when |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
71. Not a "moral victory. An **ASTERISK** victory. -nt |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
37. I think Obama should come clean on this. |
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jenmarie (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. Shhhhh!! |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. I LIVE IN FLORIDA |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
96. Thank you. I do appreciate your honesty. |
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KaryninMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
70. For the record, I live in Miami and never saw a poster or a flyer for Obama or Edwards |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
85. I live in Miami |
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KaryninMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Correct- the fix is in for McCain and has been in since 2000 |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
73. I did not get anything in the mail from either of them. |
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Sebass1271 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. how do you know about he got the votes today? |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #81 |
99. I heard it on the election coverage on tv |
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hezekkia (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
79. floridians can wave posters for whomever they like |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
100. Obama campaigned in Florida on television. |
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jenmarie (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
42. Ya know, it's fairly obvious |
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Leo 9 (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
57. Clinton victory speech in Florida |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
59. I think she is doing just fine. |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. A tricky campaign style - and manipulation - speaks VOLUMES - nt |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. Thanks. I'm glad "somebody" gets it. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
84. 50% of the vote in FL is a victory; delegates or not. nt |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
104. They've known the Clinton's for 27 years. Obama did not campaign in FL - what did you expect? |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #84 |
110. A hollow victory at that. nt |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
86. I disagree...that "People at DU are good thinkers" |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
87. 50% of the vote in FL is a victory; delegates or not. nt |
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_Wayne_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
91. People are turned off to Hillary because of morons like you |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. And you were probably defending Bill Clinton last week! AND - DON'T CALL ME A MORON |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
101. The number of Floridians that voted for Hillary shows how many are turned on by her. |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Where Obaba campaigns - the young vote marches to the polls. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Sorry - You're totally making that up.l |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
102. If 2000 voters were appalled, I am bemused at those who defend this. Florida of all states as well. |
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tandem5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
106. god you people are gonna freak out when feb 5th comes around nt |
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Cass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
108. How did she violate the agreement? |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. Dem's here in Florida were told this primary didn't count - Most didn't vote!!!!! |
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Ewellian (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. That wasn't very civic minded. |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #118 |
122. A lot of Dem's don't own property or have lost their homes. It is VERY rough here - Believe me! |
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Tom Strong (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
112. SHE WAS AWESOME!!! |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
113. Just like W Billary is making her own rules!!!!!!!! Be vigilant! What you see is what you get - |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
115. She is no different than Republicans. |
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116. Well I was decided, and now I'm just really embarrassed! |
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119. Obama gets his ass kicked in Florida |
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