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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:41 PM
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Okay... I've been wrong before but... OBAMA vs MCCAIN
that's the contest, ladies and gentlemen. OBAMA vs MCCAIN

youth vs age... YOUTH is going to win

IN. YOUR. FACE. BOOMERS.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:42 PM
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1. McCain isn't a Boomer, he is older then that.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM
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3. I know that... I was talking about his supporters (nt)
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM
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2. It'll be a striking contrast. Doddering ol' McCain and vigorous Obama.
And I'm a boomer.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM
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Pro-war McCain vs. Anti-Dumb-War Obama.
:thumbsup:
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libertee Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:44 PM
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9. I'm sorry but Obama is less that vigorous..Hope he gets some sleep soon.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:45 PM
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11. I'm pretty sure that he's still smoking
he looks like he's really huffing them back.

Personally, I think that's cool. I want him to start using a cigarette holder. Just like FDR. Only more black.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:57 PM
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15. Michelle said he quit. I'll take her word for it. NT
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:51 AM
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68. Depends how you define "quit"
I smoke a pack of cigarettes every time I go on a speaking engagement. That means I smoke about 6 or 7 packs a year. Otherwise, I don't smoke except for the occasional cigar. Am I a smoker or am I quit?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM
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4. In your face boomers? Kiss my boomer ass. n/t
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM
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7. Only if you're not incontinent yet (nt)
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:27 PM
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40. hahahah
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM
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5. lets just do everything we can to run against Romney instead
young people have never outvoted old people at the polls and there's little reason to believe they could do make it a first even with someone as great as Obama.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:44 PM
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10. Naw... the contrast will galvanize the party and help draw a real distinction in the minds
of the politically uninvolved.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:23 PM
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31. Obama'll just put an older white guy on the ticket
pick up a few aging caucasoids that way.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:30 PM
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41. O needs to pick a white guy, but he shouldn't go ancient
Remember Clinton/Gore.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:36 PM
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44. How about Joe Kennedy (nt)
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:47 PM
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47. self-delete
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 11:02 PM by arewenotdemo
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:48 PM
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48. RFK jr was the heroin addict (nt)
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:53 PM
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50. Sorry for the error. Too many Kennedys for me to keep track.
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 11:05 PM by arewenotdemo
I like what I've seen of him.

Any word on whom he's supporting?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:43 PM
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45. I agree
Webb's not too old. It's America; there must be other good still-vital-white-guy options.
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libertee Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM
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6. If that's the way it ends up - Ihope you are right and I'm too old to be a boomer
...so, watch your mouth.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:48 PM
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12. Your generation is one that I like
the real secret is that I despise my own generation even more than I despise the Boomers but not quite as much as I loathe Generation Y. The really cool people were the so called silent generation (1925-44), the generation of my parents and in-laws.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM
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8. I'll repeat this freeper comment again because I feel it's how Republicans feel about our race:
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 09:44 PM by loveangelc
Out of the RINOS, I prefer McCain.

Only because he can beat Hillary.

He won’t beat Obama though. No one can, as far as I can see.
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very true.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:49 PM
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13. It's going to be an awesome election and a McCain Republican ticket will irritate the fuck
out of Freep. That's a joy in itself.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:25 PM
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35. Hee hee. Gotta love it when they speak their minds.
Pretty much what I think, too.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:50 PM
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14. another freeper comment
Assuming McCain wins the nomination, my order of voting - Between McCain and Obama: Obama - Between McCain and Clinton: McCain.
Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, other than Clinton
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:59 PM
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16. I'll bet you HAVE been wrong before.
:puke:
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:06 PM
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22. It's a troll. He once started a post feigning amazement that the hosts at a party he attended
were offended when he supposedly said to them "I don't eat or drink with you".

Yeah, that was one of his greatest hits.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:00 PM
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17. I don't think so...
the republickins are reorganizing as we type...they'll win.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:00 PM
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18. Oh god stop with the boomer crap n/t
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:00 PM
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19. Yeah, because young people are well known for showing up in droves to the polls...
:sarcasm:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:11 PM
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24. They sure did in Iowa and SC, in record numbers. NT
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:23 PM
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33. Im talking about the general election... remember 2004.
VOTE OR DIE

yeah, young people voted in the same percentage they usually do

Primary turnout =/= GE Turnout
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:25 PM
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38. the 2004 Dem ticket was dull and vapid
that's why no one showed up. How the hell were people supposed to rally around Kerry and Edwards? Kerry was a feeb, a pussy who got his ass kicked by those stinky old men, and Edwards was just too smarmy. It wasn't a great ticket.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:02 PM
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20. cgrindley, you desperate, sad, old rascal you. The NHS offers free counseling services
don't they? Why don't you avail yourself?
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:21 PM
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29. I don't live in the UK anymore... I've lived in the States since 2003
unless you mean that I should go back to Scotland?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:06 PM
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21. That's the most ignorant reasoning I've ever heard on this board
that Obama is going to beat McCain because Obama is young and McCain is old. Now THAT'S precious.

Well, I guess if Joe Biden had somehow ended up going against Huckabee, we would have just thrown in the towel and saved us all a lot of time and energy. I mean why bother? Biden couldn't beat Huckabee...Biden is older. You are brilliant. LOL!!
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:20 PM
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27. You just wait... I feel positively prophetic about it... I'm not saying it's just
but I am saying that it will play out that way and be publicized that way.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:08 PM
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23. boomers? too old and young
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:12 PM
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25. 'IN. YOUR. FACE. BOOMERS.' - more Hope & Change & a New Tone
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:18 PM
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26. as a boomer and a viet nam vet and an anti war protester
and a man who spent a big chunk of his career cleaning up radioactive and hazardous waste, and took a 75% pay cut to teach the spoiled children of the new generation, you can kiss my 60 year old ass. it wasn't young, know it all snots like you who integrated schools, or won equal rights for women and minorities or stopped the viet nam war or started the environmental movement. What the fuck has your generation accomplished that makes you so superior to anybody?
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:25 PM
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36. oh yes us old farts vote in numbers greater than our
proportion of the electorate. If Obama and his disciples want to run a campaign against my generation and its accomplishments then screw him and his supporters.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:31 PM
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42. Word.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:45 PM
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46. OUCH. Someone named cgrindley just got their spoiled little bopper behind spanked but good
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 10:46 PM by mtnsnake
Good job, comradebillyboy! :thumbsup:
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:54 PM
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51. Nonsense... boomers didn't do any of that crap... none of it
school integration was completed before any boomer was conscious of integration
if that guy is 60, then the fool was 7 when schools were integrated.... I'm sure that his voice and protests really helped the cause

civil rights likewise
equal rights for women and minorities likewise
ditto vietnam

these were all the efforts of the silent generation. the boomers were only there for the show.


what makes my generation superior? we haven't done anything. but at least we don't lie or delude ourselves about it.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:59 PM
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55. Get lost ya ungrateful little twit. BTW you posted to the wrong poster, genius
and don't you ever call someone who served our country a fool you ingnorant little dipshit.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:02 PM
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57. I said that dude, not "you"... and this isn't my country... I'm Canadian
and pride of service to a country is jingoistic claptrap.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:10 PM
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60. I don't believe for a fucking second that you're Canadian
for the only reason being that you said it. Now run along junior.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:46 AM
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64. I could sing our anthem and praise Trudeau if you want
Trudeau, by the way, was more progressive than *any* US president. So don't try lecturing a diehard Canadian capital L Liberal.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:07 AM
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63. I was 7 when brown vs board of ed said
separate but equal was unconstitutional, but when I lived in Florida in the 60's all of the public schools were segregated in all of the southern states. it took 20 years to get real integration you ignorant twit. why do you think the civil rights act needed to be passed in the mid 60's. what do you think Martin Luther King was doing in the 60's if things were integrated in the 50's. Ignorance is bliss and you are one happy ignoramus.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:48 AM
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66. I guess we could try to be civil
I'll stop pointing out where you are deluded as to your generation's utter lack of positive contributions to global society and you can stop calling me a twit.

PS Martin Luther King Jr was NOT of your generation. He too was one of the silent generation.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:21 PM
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28. Stop with the Boomers crap
A lot of Barack's supporters are Boomers. Stop the dividing. It's not what we're about.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:23 PM
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32. I'm not actually being serious... but I do predict that the election will be marketed by the MSM
in that manner. Okay... I do resent the boomers for destroying the earth and the world's economies... but no hard feelings, eh?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:25 PM
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37. Get your generation to stop a war
And then we'll talk.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:27 PM
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39. Um... Earth to Boomer... your generation didn't stop the Vietnam war
the silent generation did that. Jesus. Those poor fucks never get any credit.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:34 PM
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43. Okayyyyyyyyyyyy nt
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:51 PM
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49. you mean my participating in anti-war protests
even after I was drafted had no impact? Me and the other millions of us who raised hell with Johnson and Nixon did nothing to stop the war? You fucking moron.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:55 PM
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52. No. It had no impact at all.
Your marches did nothing. The war was ended the same way it was started. By old men.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:59 PM
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56. Sssshhhhh
We're supposed to be the "silent generation" :rofl:
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:08 PM
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59. Yeah, you watch out pops or we're taking your keys and putting you in a home (nt)
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:57 PM
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54. You're kidding, right?
I don't remember any of my parents' generation marching in the streets to stop the war or fight for civil rights.

'Course, maybe you're right. The president (Nixon) who actually pulled the troops out was one of their generation, as were the congressmen who cut the funding. I guess the speaking out, marching, protesting... those thing don't count for anything... it's only the actual legislation that matters. Is that what you're trying to tell us?
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:07 PM
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58. Two points
a. the peace process started seriously in early 1968 when McCarthy's political aspirations started to move--that's what started it, a squabble between contenders for control of the party
b. the peace process was carried out through negotiations between the two sides that went on for years
c. it ended with a treaty and general disgrace

the peace protestors really did not affect policy in a really concrete way. it was merely the icing on a really shitty cake. attractive icing. fun icing. but icing all the same.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:12 PM
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61. Uh-huh
And MLK Jr didn't "affect policy in a really concrete way" either. Just icing on the LBJ cake.
:sarcasm:

Comradebillyboy had it right... fucking moron.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:22 PM
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30. That will be the race in my estimation.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:23 PM
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34. It's going to rock. It's going to be epic.
I can hardly wait. I'm actually grinning like an idiot just thinking about it.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:56 PM
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53. I agree and Obama will win. However if we are stupid and
Hillary gets it, it is going to President McCain.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:15 PM
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62. You know what?
As a boomer, that kind of comment makes me want to hurl an expletive at you, but I'm too polite to do it.

Besides which, John McCain is not a boomer. Grow up.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:50 AM
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67. Get used to it... that's how the election is going to be marketed
and you're going to hear it a lot.

PS I seem to recall that you boomers were pretty fond of saying it to your elders back in your glory days... it was okay back then and not now? I think that's just a little bit hypocritical of you people.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:23 PM
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70. "You people"?
You're too funny. I don't think you realize how much more like you we are than we were like our parents -- at least speaking for myself. It's a whole different world than it was in 1967, and the generation gap has been much narrowed. My kids and I have a lot of the same views, listen to the same music and they can actually talk to me about complex issues in their lives and I know what they're talking about. That was never the case with my parents. The gulf was much too wide.

But go on thinking whatever you're thinking. Tensions between the generations is part of life, as you say.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:47 AM
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65. Agreed - the past vs. the future and McCain is way in the past. nt
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:00 AM
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69. Another anti Boomer.
How nice.
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