Florida Delegates MUST be seated

As a Floridian and a life long Democrat I demand that our delegation be seated and allowed to participate in the convention. The democratic voters of Florida had nothing to do with the moving of the primary date. The Florida Legislature is overwhelmingly run by the republicans and our votes should not and will not be tossed aside without some consequences to the DNC. I voted for Edwards so for me I have no interest in the outcome as I will vote for a democrat in November irregardless of who is the nominee. But.....I do want my vote to count at the convention. I don't give a damn if it hurts Obama, it hurts Hillary, or it hurts Edwards, I just want to be represented at the convention since I voted. If the votes of all the thousands of Florida democrats are pushed aside because of an antiquated and idiotic rule so as not to wound the pride of a couple of small states, the DNC becomes just as monolithic a beast as the republican party by denying our voices to be heard. So how is the DNC going to handle this in the future? From now until whenever are our votes and delegates going to be denied participation at future conventions? The primary date is now law here so for the foreseeable future that seems like it will be the case. I don't think the DNC will be able to deny participation to us being the 4th largest state and us being so important to the selection of the next president. WAKE UP and reinstate us before you really hear the noise come the convention.

They are to blame, not the DNC.

The Florida state legislature changed the date, not the Florida state Democratic Party. The primary is run by the state and local governemnts so what was the Florida Democratic Party to do? Excuse me? Isn't it the DNC that has stated that the Florida deligation will not be able to vote at the convention because of the change in dates which they had NOTHING to do with? That my friend is an absurd catch 22. Policing the primary system? What system, it is not the DNC's system to police, it is a state system. How can the DNC deny delegates participation when they were forced into a situation not of their making? You are in essence punishing the victim. That.....is real smart and just makes a lot of sense.

And.....what about four years from now? What's going to happen on January 29th 2012 when the Democrats of Florida vote in the next presidential primary? Is the same thing going to happen? Any answers for that? Sorry Sir, we're just following the rules and doing our jobs. Hey, sounds like the current Nazi's in office. It's all semantics.

.....Even if the dems didn't go along, it still would have passed.

that if the state democrats showed proof of actually fighting such tricks then some/most delegates might be seated, then there is the fact the DNC tried for a extended period of time to make an deal/compromise with the the Florida dem party that was basically rebuffed by them

the Florida state party had ample opportunity to get more in line with the national party, they didn't want to, ergo dean stepped aside and let the punishment for breaking the national party rules be activated

The DNC was willing to fund a second "contest", a caucus or party-run primary. Thurman and the FL Dems sai no.

Delegate selection can be done at any time and through any process. Doesn't have to be on the date of the state primary.

What's the big deal anyway? That Fla might get the jump on the Super Tuesday states? So it's OK for Iowa, NH and SC but not Fla which has more voters than all of the previous primary states combined? Floridians votes are important only if given on dates approved by the DNC?

Hey, I am an Edwards supporter and plan to vote for him on Super Tuesday. But disenfranchising one of the largest states and pissing off Democrats by the thousands would not be a terribly smart thing for Democrats to do if they want to win there in November.

That is what I'm talking about. To be honest, I don't care if it's HC or BO that wins the nod.....I'll still vote dem but what??? We're dissing SC, NH and Iowa. Shit, Miami Dade has more people than those states combined.

They had an opportunity to object. Instead they agreed, then went back on their word.

The Florida Democratic Party caused this. Your beef is with them.

AND THEY WILL UNDER THE MOST CONCIEVABLE SCENARIOS.

And that will destroy us.

Fla Dem Party is more concerned with their own power and status than they are the National Party or the voters. They are the ones to blame. Hey, we want to get rid of those assholes as much as anyone. They are firmly entrenched. I hope the DNC stands firm (Judge already ruled in favor of DNC in lawsuit), and pressure can be applied to kick Karen Thurman's ass out of Tallahassee.

....the Dems here in the state legislature are repugs in Dems clothing for the most part.

We hated the GOP for breaking rules in both 2000 and 2004, why should we allow Hillary to get away with it?

take it to the bank - all part of the healing and on to the general election....

Both MI and FL are too important in the general election for them not to be

That's essentially what you are demanding.

....No one has had a comment on what will happen on 1/29/2012. Will the same process happen again?

That's where this stupid fucking trend is heading at any rate.

Good luck with that.

A couple hundred thousand shit kickers in a mid west state that's damn near a mini me Kansas and a state where you know where to by beer because they have a red dot on the store get "special treatment" by the DNC and a state that has 17 million people in it can just go fuck themselves, yeah I think that's real smart.

If Clintons win then and only then does the DNC count the delegates?

It's all about the Clintons eh?

then next time there will be total chaos. Every state will be able to schedule it's primaries any time they want to and there will be no rhyme or reason to the whole process.

Those delegates must not be seated.

:kick: and recommend

They will be able to vote in the general election. They did a W, and broke the rules, daring the party to give them a logical consequence. Well, this is it. Deal.

that Howard Dean is going to address this 'issue' tomorrow. It kind of reminds me of the vote counting thing. We've all heard about the complete lack of security in our voting systems, but it seems nobody gives a shit about it. I'm sure they will all be screaming their heads off when all the reports of glitches, and irregularities surface again. I guess what they say is true...all politics is local.

http://holt.house.gov/HR_5036.shtml

ANYONE TELLING YOU OTHERWISE IS HOPING FOR A FAT CHANCE IN HELL 50-60 POINT SPREAD THAT WOULD UNDOUBTEDLY LEAD TO A BROKERED CONVENTION ANYWAY.

no need to shout. They'll be seated but not until the party has nominated a candidate.

Do you not know that I know this damn situation inside out and backwards? It seems Obama supporters don't understand the situation and insist that Hillary is breaking the rules or that cheating is going on.

enough to give me a clear read on your command of the situation. But I'll go get my esp beanie on so I can better understand your position.

It's not necessary to be a jerk to get your points across, Josh. It doesn't help persuade anyone.

And, you're wrong anyway. It doesn't matter if they are seated, what matters is whether they play any part in choosing the nominee. They don't, and won't.

The Democratic Party leadership in Florida is to blame for that.

I mean, since you demanded.
Seriously, though, I would be upset too. But not at the DNC, at the assholes in my party who pushed it with the DNC.

Based on yesterday's primary where the candidates didn't campaign? Is that fair to Edwards who very well could have received 15% (and delegates) had he campaigned there?

The results yesterday were based more on name recognition than substance.

... they must not. Everyone cannot run their own primary schedule, that is the party's business.

I agree that the primary schedules are ridiculous, Iowa shouldn't be deciding jack and neither should NH. But the answer has to come from the party, every state can't go it alone.

By your logic, my state, Texas, should be among the first. What a disaster that would be, as would FL, a state that is also NOT representative of the nation as a whole.

a month before Iowa, and all of our delegates must count! See where this could be headed?

If Obama had given speeches in Florida the way he gave them in South Carolina, the end result might well have been different. That said, this whole party scheme was idiotic and bound to cause hard feelings.

Just kidding. Sort of....

The Florida Democrats broke the rules and they have to suffer the consequences...

Very, very simple..

(Oh, and let us know when you've figured out how to count votes and stopped disenfranchising people m'kay?)