Not so good.

What follows is my response to a now locked thread about people rejecting HRC's Florida "victory" speech broadcast at an east Tennessee Ruby Tuesdays bar. Apparently, the bar crowd was observed to be cursing the broadcast of HRC's victory speech moments after the polls closed. Florida was a state that she and all candidates promised not to campaign or be listed on the ballet because the Florida Democratic decided to move up their primary against the guidance of the DNC. Michigan did it, too. As a result, the delegates from those states would not count at the Democratic convention.

All but one.

I guess it's nice to know that HRC will fight for HER votes. I don't see her fighting so much for me. More obviously, her word is not worth a damn now that she is campaigning to reinstate the votes of both those primaries that most of the rest sat out, most going so far as to remove their names from the presumed inconsequential ballot.

The OP (now conveniently locked) observed that the protests were from self-proclaimed Democratic voters in East Tennessee. There is no way to verify any of this post.

(I would insert the link to the closed thread here if I could, but I can't. My OP now follows.)

That’s how Reps react to the Clintons, not Democrats. True, we’re still in primaries, but it’s alarming how many Dems don’t intend to get over it if she is the nominee.

Plus, she (and he) is the supreme GOTV incentive for the GOP. They are an even bigger draw than gay marriage.

And then there’s the corporate media that somehow can’t help creating their own narratives of political campaigns because reporting policies and platforms doesn’t draw viewers so much. They’re already doing it with the Obama/Clinton “smack-down” tales. They are going to do to her what they did to Gore in 2000.

For the record, I still intend to cast my primary vote for Edwards because he has the best vision and policies for me.

I don’t want to rain on the Obama parade, but I don’t have much hope there because all I hear are naïve platitudes about change and bi-partisanship. It might get him elected if that’s the story the corporate media continue to sell, but the GOP is going to be as obstructionist as their newly elected numbers allow them to be. He will only get my sincere vote when the corporate media turns on him. That’s when I’ll know he might have something in mind to make some real changes. So far, I don’t see that happening other than Obama being the first black candidate that is the same as the old boss, only not as embarrassing.

It’s obvious to me that I am going to have to hold my nose when I vote in the GE, but I will not cut off my nose to spite my face by abstaining to vote. I consider my vote the right to bitch about the outcome. If one doesn’t vote, then one can’t complain.

Given the current corporate media’s narrative, I think that our best hope is cleaning house and electing true progressive and populace candidates into our state and federal legislatures. If Obama makes that happen, then so be it.

There is no way to get around the fact that the poster is also a woman hater.

If I was looking to be offended by the B word, I could pounce and focus only on that. I'm old and crusty. I was more alarmed by the reactions described as well as my own fears for righting the course of our presumed empire.

I don't have a problem with a woman president. My problem with the Clinton candidacy is that they've been there and done it already. Why do they want to do it again? It's not like they got it right the first time. NAFTA, DADT, media consolidation, etc. Plus, there's her personal record of voting for war and not owning up to the facts. They pander. That's what all politicians do.

And that's why I'll have to hold my nose when I vote in the GE.

I don't get much from your response.

And what, pray tell, is a "populace" candidate?

pop·u·lace n
1. the inhabitants of a town, region, or other area
2. ordinary people, as distinct from the political elite or the aristocracy

Does that help?

I don't think it matters. We are fucked if you have to ask that.

Peace.

Best get your facts straight because they can all be disputed and disproved, especially with people who've been on the political scene for awhile.

The endorsements from heavy hitters in the Dem party have no effect on you? Are you really interested in reading something compelling? If so...

read this. All of it.

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html

It did not change my mind.

I suspect that I am older than you, but why should that matter for either of us?

I posted what I posted because that's how I perceive it.

What are your credentials? As if mine mattered to you. All you wanted to know was my age.

Silly, silly,,,,

I don't like knee jerk reactions and I had one. Mea culpa. :blush: You post is good, because it's yours and how you feel. And I agree with most of it.

Did you think of that?